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I think I know why Sean got him now. Its just like when he got Williams and Spags whose teams killed the saints offense the prior meetings they played. And I didnt thinnk about it until a saints poster brought it up last night he was DC of Cleveland when that two game run he had game plans for us and the pats. And four key games that we have on our schedule next year, including a division rival we play every year, had his handprints on them. Falcons six point loss, pats fg loss, jets late loss, and bears blowout loss. What do these games have in common? They were all lost by Romo. Payton knows this he also knows JJ didnt get rid of Garrett he got rid of Ryan instead and Dallas on our schedule next year gives Ryan information for us to use against Romo/Garrett offense. And three of those games were games I believed could have gone either way(the one in Atl) and with Ryan that helps our chances if Ryan can have similar successes against those same teams.

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Doubt it has anything to do with beating Dallas and more to do with the fact that he is aggressive and runs the system Payton wants to run. The guy sat home the whole year and watched tape and games. Believe me, he knows who the best candidate was without having to sit them down and bs with them.

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Yeah Ryan has the attitude and swagger that G.W. had, and mixes between 3-4/4-3 personnel...

Almost exactly like G.W. without the "pay-for-performance" system...

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Payton wanting aggressiveness and attitude does not explain the Spags hire for me.

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Lord knows the Cleveland game is a bad memory, no doubt.
Payton has a plan, and has had a year to put it together.

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You learn from your mistakes; an aggressive defense got us a ring in '09 then struggled the following two years...

So he decides to try something different and when that didn't work, you go back to what got you there the first time...

In that case Spags was not what I would consider an "honest effort" considering all that surrounded the 2012 season.

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hindsight is always 20/20

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What exactly does that mean? Spags was hired before all the bounty crap came out and the Failcons had already hired Nolan so at the time Spags hiring was acceptable. He just didn't work out with our players.

I said the same exact thing before he was fired..

No hind sight brother.

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Yeah, Payton sat on the couch saying, "Sure, we don't have the right coaches or the right personnel, and it will take 3 years to transition to the new scheme, but dammit, that coach figured out how to irritate Drew so he's all-right by me."

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If Spags would have turned the defense around, he would have still been here... Payton saw that it didn't work, so he made the switch back to what worked in '09...

He didn't hire Spagnoulo with the thought of firing him after one year,

He sat on the couch all year seeing the same thing we did, uninspired, defense lacking confidence = Ryan hiring

2012 was anything but a season where Spags had an honest shot with a full season that is normal by NFL standards.

Spags just didn't spend a season with a team having a normal season with a present and accounted for Head Coach, General Manager.

I'm no Spags fan, I don't think our players were smart enough to pull his scheme off anyway.

Just saying he wasn't fired because it didn't work, he was fired because when the worst defense in history finishes a season, regardless of circumstances, someone's head has to roll.

And he didn't revert back to 2009.

Did we run a 3-4 in 2009? This is not a revert, this is a major overhaul.

Spags was also fired because he doesn't run a 3-4.

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Disagree completely. The entire scheme placed square pegs in round holes. It wasn't just that it was a complicated scheme.

Place Troy Polamalu in a Tampa-2 and he's freaking abused all game long. Let him play his traditional SS role near the LOS and he's a hall of famer, likely 1st ballot.

Nnamdi Asomugha's was one of the best man-to-man CB's in the entire league, but when placed in the Eagles mostly zone schemes he flat out sucked. They're ready to run him out of Philly as much as we wanted Jason David gone.

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Major overhaul??

Didn't the players themselves claim they ran a base 3-4 when Williams was coach?

Who was the nose?

Sean Payton
"I personally want to thank Steve and Ken for their contributions during what was an unprecedented 2012 season," Payton said in a statement issued by the team. "Philosophically we are changing our defense to a 3-4 alignment and right now is the best time to accomplish this transition."

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I believe they used your boy Sean (beefcake) Rogers some at NT.

So why did Sean even hire a 4-3 guy?

LOL I don't know, you tell me. I don't recall an announcement of a switch to the 4-3 in 2012.

Now, players claiming experience in a 3-4 doesn't surprise me. When you just participated in the worst defense
In history and your not considered better than an average player you say anything you can to keep a job when your employer says we are changing things up...... I would claim familiarity too

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Pretty much agree. Aggressive defense and forcing turnovers can make inferior personnel look better. We don't have a suffocating group who can play solid D in all facets so let's throw caution to the wind and try to pressure QB's into throwing early before getting through progressions, making our CB's have to cover less time and hoping it eliminates those big plays that need time to develop.

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The whole "player not fitting the scheme" is BS. These are the best athletes I the world and you mean to tell me that because they have a different assignemt in one scheme vs another their body cannot physically do it??? BULL. That's an excuse for not either being able to coach players up or they blow. Defensive backs may be better in man coverage vs zone but the front 7 still have basically the same duties. Either play run coverage or play pass rush.

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I just think the whole team was distracted and was unmotivated. case closed..

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They never gelled, bad chemisty. They all had the deer in the headlights look. There were no leaders at all on the D, no one to put a lost sheep in his place when he got lost, what our D lacks is someone who has balls. Look at a top D and there is someone putting people in their place when they screw up. 2012 was a big wake up call for Payton and I hope he was as miserable watching the D decline each and every game because not one of them had the balls to stand up and be "The man". Hopefully this season will be different and we get a couple guys with stones .

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No. Not even close. That's like saying well you are a mechanic. Car or plane you should be able to fix it equally quick and proper.

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Pass rush and run stop have different requirements in the NFL. The dynamic is different. Same goes for line backers when switching from 4-3 to 3-4..

A super fast light safety with great air is excellent pass defense however he is going to struggle with the blitz and getting to the QB... Too light in the seat.

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Pressure equals points.

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I have thought more of RR as a hire, and I am at least hopeful now that he might be pretty good at his craft. He hasn't had a ton of success to point to as a D-Coord. but looking at those teams they had horrible offenses. Raiders and Clev. to be specific. Last year in Dallas I remember Homo throwing a lot of interceptions in some games, so that doesn't help the defense at all. I think he might be able to get us to a 12-15 ranking, and if so.... Championship