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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I have no doubt now that Vilma restructures and remains a Saint....

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Old 02-13-2013, 08:19 AM   #21
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I have no doubt now that Vilma restructures and remains a Saint.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:49 PM   #22
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Vilma is gone... Hawthorne is a better fit anyway.

If Vilma does stay it hurts us financially with the cap and hurts us on the field. We know he is no good in the 3-4, and he has only gotten older.

I frankly dont care if he is a nice guy or not... doesn't mean he should be on the field.. God forbid we get another Scott Shanle situation ... llol
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Vilma is gone... Hawthorne is a better fit anyway.

If Vilma does stay it hurts us financially with the cap and hurts us on the field. We know he is no good in the 3-4, and he has only gotten older.

I frankly dont care if he is a nice guy or not... doesn't mean he should be on the field.. God forbid we get another Scott Shanle situation ... llol
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more than up to speed... consider it a prediction
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Did he say anything about the ridicules collar on our jersys ? Or that we would get gold back and not be black and tan any more ?
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Originally Posted by blackangold View Post
Vilma is gone... Hawthorne is a better fit anyway.

If Vilma does stay it hurts us financially with the cap and hurts us on the field. We know he is no good in the 3-4, and he has only gotten older.

I frankly dont care if he is a nice guy or not... doesn't mean he should be on the field.. God forbid we get another Scott Shanle situation ... llol
He wasn't horrible in Mangini's 3-4, he just wasn't all that good.

But Mangini ran a true 2 gap 3-4 where both ILB's take on guards regularly. Rob's 3-4 doesn't do that to both ILB's. One ILB, the MIKE will take on the 2 gaps on the strongside of the line, but both the SAM and the WILL have nearly identical responsibilities as the WILL and SAM in a traditional 4-3.

Vilma at the WILL in Rob's 3-4 is no different than what Vilma played under Spags and Gregg Williams, who ran a lot of 3-4 when he was here.

Mangini's 3-4 and Rob's 3-4 are apples and oranges.

My guess is he re-structures and plays an integral part of our defense next year. Payton praised him throughout that interview and all but guaranteed Vilma will be back and better than ever.

Here's a decent diagram of how Vilma (W) will be used...



Notice the RDE is over the guard. In Mangini's 3-4 the RDE was over the Tackle, leaving both ILB's to take on OG's.
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He wasn't horrible in Mangini's 3-4, he just wasn't all that good.

But Mangini ran a true 2 gap 3-4 where both ILB's take on guards regularly. Rob's 3-4 doesn't do that to both ILB's. One ILB, the MIKE will take on the 2 gaps on the strongside of the line, but both the SAM and the WILL have nearly identical responsibilities as the WILL and SAM in a traditional 4-3.

Vilma at the WILL in Rob's 3-4 is no different than what Vilma played under Spags and Gregg Williams, who ran a lot of 3-4 when he was here.

Mangini's 3-4 and Rob's 3-4 are apples and oranges.

My guess is he re-structures and plays an integral part of our defense next year. Payton praised him throughout that interview and all but guaranteed Vilma will be back and better than ever.

Here's a decent diagram of how Vilma (W) will be used...



Notice the RDE is over the guard. In Mangini's 3-4 the RDE was over the Tackle, leaving both ILB's to take on OG's.
Will I be upset if Vilma is back?... No

But he needs to restructure, and that being said Hawthorne would still be the better option, or have we forgot that Hawthorne was a pro-bowl caliber player with SEA....

Vilma hasn't been healthy for 2 years and when he bounced on and off the injured report during the 2011 season everyone thought Dun-Bar looked better on the field. Now was that due to the injury, maybe. However, the last time Vilma looked like a great player was in 2010. Since then its been downhill for him, and I am sure the injuries have played a large part in that.
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