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Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre Meachem? Are you freaking kidding? He was put on the Physically Unable to Perform because he wasn't in shape; a rookie WR that wasn't in shape!!! It was a horrible pick and he didn't warrant a ...

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Old 02-20-2013, 05:16 AM   #11
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Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Meachem? Are you freaking kidding?

He was put on the Physically Unable to Perform because he wasn't in shape; a rookie WR that wasn't in shape!!!

It was a horrible pick and he didn't warrant a first round selection; and there were better players on the board and definite greater needs at other positions (and still are there)...


Nobody is saying he was Jerry Rice, but he certainly wasn't Darius Heyward Bay....... Meachem did eventually have significant snaps on this team. So the pick was warranted. And he is in the portion of the team where I say if HE personally doesn't make a handfull of plays then the Saints don't have a championship at all.
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:38 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post
Obviously none of us know what its like in the draft rooms but there are some serious questions with our recent drafting skills

Patrick Robinson - 1st round when he wasn't even the best CB on his team
Usama young - 2nd round WTF!!
Taylor melhaff - off the team after half a season
Sed Ellis - What a joke
Chip Vaughan and Stanley Arnoux - beasts in college and never even made it on the field here
Al Woods - Cut in preseason for lack of work ethic

Something needs to change with our draft strategy, cuz it aint working
Woooo. Before you indite payton/loomis regime and walk out the firing sqaud, shouldn't you put all the evidence on display. I'm not trying to absolve payton/loomis because I do feel like the earlier parts of their drafts should produce a greater percentage of NFL talent, and it hasn't all the time. But as off, and wrong as Payton/Loomis have been on some of the early round talent, is as spot on, and as domiant as they have been on some of the mid to late round talent, as well as kicking ass in free agency. Shouldn't they get credit for that...... And since we are talking reps.....

Under Payton/Loomis
- Best small school late round selection ever.....
- One of the best TE's the saints have ever had
- Selected the best guard in the league currently

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yup its the off season...
Nothing to write about so lets make problems for people to read.
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2011 1 1 24 24 Cameron Jordan DE California
2011 2 1 28 28 Mark Ingram RB Alabama
2011 3 3 8 72 Martez Wilson LB Illinois this guy has been under utilized because of size will flurish in the 3-4
2011 4 3 24 88 Johnny Patrick DB Louisville
2011 5 7 23 226 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh How would we know can't stay healthy
2011 6 7 40 243 Nate Bussey LB Illinois
2010 1 1 32 32 Patrick Robinson DB Florida State
2010 2 2 32 64 Charles Brown T USC
2010 3 3 31 95 Jimmy Graham TE Miami (FL)
2010 4 4 25 123 Al Woods DT Louisiana State
2010 5 5 27 158 Matt Tennant C Boston College
2010 6 7 32 239 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State
2009 1 1 14 14 Malcolm Jenkins DB Ohio State
2009 2 4 16 116 Chip Vaughn DB Wake Forest
2009 3 4 18 118 Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forest
2009 4 5 28 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist you don't think being a pro-bowler punter is a warranted pat on the back for a 5 rounder....
2008 1 1 7 7 Sedrick Ellis DT USC ( bust, yes but played majority snaps)
2008 2 2 9 40 Tracy Porter DB Indiana Contributed on a championship squad should count for somethin
2008 3 5 9 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State
2008 4 5 29 164 Carl Nicks T Nebraska Another late round masterpiece
2008 5 6 12 178 Taylor Meolhaff K Wisconsin
2008 6 7 30 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan
2007 1 1 27 27 Robert Meachem WR Tennessee We don't have a championship if he doesn't win the Redskins game singlehandedly.....
2007 2 3 2 66 Usama Young DB Kent State
2007 3 3 25 88 Andy Alleman G Akron
2007 4 4 8 107 Antonio Pittman RB Ohio State
2007 5 4 26 125 Jermon Bushrod T Towson Serviceable tackle...
2007 6 5 8 145 David Jones DB Wingate
2007 7 7 10 220 Marvin Mitchell LB Tennessee

FOR THE AUTHOR of this disscussion ( Danno )

Here's what I believe: The draft is more about relavance, than significance. In other words your more than likely going to find that player that contributes in the draft, not the breakout star who contributes significantly. For instance, Jermon Bushrod (BTW small school.... Towson....5th round selection!!!!) ..... Success.... Why because he has seen a large amount of his teams snaps good bad or other wise. Of the player's that are drafted only a small percentage of those will be walk off home runs (Jimmy Graham)


- Just because we have a low batting percentage doesn't mean we don't occasionally hit a homer or two!!!!
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Originally Posted by Jamessr View Post
yup its the off season...
Nothing to write about so lets make problems for people to read.
Like a big ol' family. Nothing to do right now but argue. Come season time we'll all be Who Dat-in' again.
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Those guys weren't drafted.
But Team L/P hired them too.
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You know the draft ain't everything. Every year there are second year free agents that mature and make teams. When you have a Superbowl capilar team, you are going to cut a boatload of rookies. This is a good thing.
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Tom Brady drafted in sixth round
Jamarcus Russell first round fail
Dan Marino 6th QB drafted


Drafts do not amount to squat.
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Tom Brady drafted in sixth round
Jamarcus Russell first round fail
Dan Marino 6th QB drafted

Drafts do not amount to squat.
So you don't think some teams are better than others at drafting players?

Do you think the draft matters at all?

If all 6 of our draft picks fail to even make the team next year, does that amount to anything? If that happens 6 years in a row does it matter?

I'm of the opinion that drafts do matter.
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Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

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So you don't think some teams are better than others at drafting players?

Do you think the draft matters at all?

If all 6 of our draft picks fail to even make the team next year, does that amount to anything? If that happens 6 years in a row does it matter?

I'm of the opinion that drafts do matter.
IMO it's like gambling in Vegas. Sure, they guy who completely understands black jack is better equipped to NOT lose all his money, but it's still a crap shoot you know?
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