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Rugby Saint II 02-20-2013 12:33 PM

Front seven Or Secondary?
 
I never had a year where I could not decide what position we needed help with the most. This is that year.

Originally, I wanted a DT even before we went to the 3-4. Then after the switch I began thinking about an impact OLB'er and was sure that this would give us the most results in a 3-4 alignment. Then I went back to DT for a while depending on how strong the argument was that I just read.lol

We have the two worst rated safteties in the NFL....... maybe we should replace at least one of them with a much needed impact player.

On a side note I have even begun to wonder if maybe we should address LT in the first round so we can keep Drew healthy? Also, the rookie contract is much more friendly to the cap.

Anyway, with our first pick should we draft front seven or secondary?:bng:

hagan714 02-20-2013 01:00 PM

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at this point it is still BPA in the draft and hope defense wins the coin toss

Danno 02-20-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 480849)
We have the two worst rated safteties in the NFL....... maybe we should replace at least one of them with a much needed impact player.

Which is a direct result of having numerous players along the front 7 also ranked the worst in the entire NFL.

The safeties are merely a symptom of the problem.

The front 7 is the problem.

papz 02-20-2013 01:13 PM

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Control the line of scrimmage... win the football game.

Front 7 all day every day.

Danno 02-20-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 480863)
Control the line of scrimmage... win the football game.

Front 7 all day every day.

I can see you are a Finks disciple.

papz 02-20-2013 01:20 PM

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NuNu318 02-20-2013 01:21 PM

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Did no one see what happens when defensive line cant get to the QB in the SB? Everyone was shocked when they saw both ATL and Baltimore throw up & down the field on the Niners because they thought that secondary was so good when that wasn't the case.

Failcons O-line eventually broke down and they started to get pressure on Shatty Lice....thus resulting in the biggest lead blown in a NFC Championship game (It was glorius wasn't it...)

But Baltimore Oline held it together and exposed their secondary repeatedly....

Front Seven......the game is won on the line. It always has been and always will be. Some CBs in the HOF now wouldn't be there if it wasn't for their D-line I truly believe that.

saintsfan403 02-20-2013 01:46 PM

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Front seven, its amazing how good an average secondary can look with a good pass rush

Danno 02-20-2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan403 (Post 480873)
Front seven, its amazing how good an average secondary can look with a good pass rush

And as the playoffs showed us, its amazing how bad the best secondaries in the NFL can look without one.

K Major 02-20-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 480866)


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halloween 65 02-20-2013 02:46 PM

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Front 7, without collapsing the pocket and pressure on a average qb. it makes all of them look like Brees. I want a true nose-tackle 1st then a thumper lb. on the inside. Followed by getting rid Jenkins and either Quaddus in or a veteran safety to teach Quaddus. I believe still with a little more time he would be great.

blackangold 02-20-2013 04:06 PM

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to be honest it does not matter who we take in the first round.... we have yet to take an impact player in the first round whom made drastic improvements to our team. For the most part the first round of the draft has been nothing more than a money waster and I doubt this is the year that changes.

ChrisXVI 02-20-2013 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 480905)
to be honest it does not matter who we take in the first round.... we have yet to take an impact player in the first round whom made drastic improvements to our team. For the most part the first round of the draft has been nothing more than a money waster and I doubt this is the year that changes.

I agree that we make terrible picks in the first round... HOWEVER, Cameron Jordan has been a terrific draft pick. He's been one of the highest rated run-stopping DE's and now that we're switching back to his more natural 3-4 scheme he's only going to flourish. We drafted him and made him a DE in our 4-3 and though he's been great, his 1st round pick status was based on playing in a 3-4 at Cal.

Crusader 02-20-2013 05:00 PM

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I always prefer BPA regardless if it was an OT, DT, S, LB, WR or whatnot.

Seer1 02-20-2013 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 480914)
I always prefer BPA regardless if it was an OT, DT, S, LB, WR or whatnot.

As needy as we are in some areas, it sure seems like BPA in those positions makes more sense.

Danno 02-20-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 480914)
I always prefer BPA regardless if it was an OT, DT, S, LB, WR or whatnot.

For me, to be more specific, I prefer BPA except at positions of strength. If the BPA is a QB in round 1, 3 and 4 I hope we're not stupid enough to draft 3 QB's.

FinSaint 02-20-2013 08:30 PM

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I'd prefer a DL followed by a LB, but there's a strong argument to make for a OT if the right guy is available.

Secondary to me is just that, secondary... although Amerson would be a nice pick up.

But it all depends so much on what the Saints do in free agency that it seems almost pointless to debate about the potential draft picks at this point in time.

Seer1 02-20-2013 08:39 PM

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What are we gonna argue about after the draft? Oh yeah, the picks we made.

FinSaint 02-20-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 480988)
What are we gonna argue about after the draft? Oh yeah, the picks we made.


Naturally. :-)

alleycat_126 02-21-2013 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 480907)
I agree that we make terrible picks in the first round... HOWEVER, Cameron Jordan has been a terrific draft pick. He's been one of the highest rated run-stopping DE's and now that we're switching back to his more natural 3-4 scheme he's only going to flourish. We drafted him and made him a DE in our 4-3 and though he's been great, his 1st round pick status was based on playing in a 3-4 at Cal.

Yes Jordan has found his way, but Wilson has not..... This switch is much less for Jordan ( who should have no problem switching to 3-4 and still being as dominant) as it is for Wilson who had no place in the zone scheme because he doesn't weigh enough to come in and stop the run, nor should he be asked to as a DE, in the 3-4 he should move back to a more natural OLB position and get on the field more thus putting him in position to make plays something IMO he has shown he can do.... The DE that covers wilson side is gonna have to be a massive and shifty.... DE is probably gonna be your pick in the first...... And if it were me it wouldn't be at 15 unless you got a shot at Dion Jordan, or Jesse Williams of Alabama.....

Mardigras9 02-21-2013 02:21 PM

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Front seven without question.

NinthWardJay 02-21-2013 02:27 PM

Most of the time your DB's are only as good as the pressure from your front seven allow them to be

blackangold 02-21-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 480907)
I agree that we make terrible picks in the first round... HOWEVER, Cameron Jordan has been a terrific draft pick. He's been one of the highest rated run-stopping DE's and now that we're switching back to his more natural 3-4 scheme he's only going to flourish. We drafted him and made him a DE in our 4-3 and though he's been great, his 1st round pick status was based on playing in a 3-4 at Cal.

your right ... I always forget about him. Although he was not the first pick for us he has done well for being a first rounder. The Ingram pick ahead of him however is just another example of wasted first picks imo.

Danno 02-21-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 481092)
your right ... I always forget about him. Although he was not the first pick for us he has done well for being a first rounder. The Ingram pick ahead of him however is just another example of wasted first picks imo.

Ingram was the 28th pick (5 picks from being a 2nd rounder), Jordan was 24th

NuNu318 02-21-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 481092)
your right ... I always forget about him. Although he was not the first pick for us he has done well for being a first rounder. The Ingram pick ahead of him however is just another example of wasted first picks imo.

Jordan was picked 24th in the 1st rd. We traded up with the Pats to pick Ingram 28th.

st thomas 02-21-2013 02:56 PM

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Its going to be the highest rated player availble. If it be OT. DT or Olb DB. Wish we could be counted because we all are much on the Defense side.


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