Jimmy Graham Could Be Targeting As Much As $12 Annually In His Next Contract

spkb25 · 02-23-2013, 01:16 AM

yeah you don't trade talent like that, end of story.

FinSaint · 02-23-2013, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

yeah you don't trade talent like that, end of story.

Well an organization should if it seems like they won't be able to re-sign such a talent to a long term contract with reasonable compensation and the only way to really get the most benefit out of the said talent is to trade him elsewhere while he is still under contract, and have some other team pay for the talent involved.

The worst case scenario being that he plays out his contract and signs with another team next offseason with the Saints potentially only getting a compensatory pick out of the whole deal.

Now, I personally believe that Graham will re-sign a long term contract with the Saints and the annual worth of it will be much lower than the $12M reported in this "article." But you have to be ready to pull the trigger on a difficult choice if it seems like the best option for the organization in the long run - no matter who the player is and/or what type of talent he has.

UK_WhoDat · 02-23-2013, 06:18 AM

We would do well to remember that we are only as strong as our weakest link.
We need to resource our weakest areas if we want to be always in contention because our very best do not deliver everytime - regardless of their pay structure.

spkb25 · 02-23-2013, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Well an organization should if it seems like they won't be able to re-sign such a talent to a long term contract with reasonable compensation and the only way to really get the most benefit out of the said talent is to trade him elsewhere while he is still under contract, and have some other team pay for the talent involved.

The worst case scenario being that he plays out his contract and signs with another team next offseason with the Saints potentially only getting a compensatory pick out of the whole deal.

Now, I personally believe that Graham will re-sign a long term contract with the Saints and the annual worth of it will be much lower than the $12M reported in this "article." But you have to be ready to pull the trigger on a difficult choice if it seems like the best option for the organization in the long run - no matter who the player is and/or what type of talent he has.

Certainly, and I am not advocating 12M either, but we have to pay him. The guy is top 3 at his position in the league. Just doesn't make any sense to lose talent like that. MJ shouldn't be making 11, if that's accurate. There's a cut we can make to help pay for him.

But yeah- if we can't and we know it is impossible I see your point. I agree- we'll sign him

TheOak · 02-23-2013, 06:59 AM

The way I see it. Graham has had 1 outstanding year, last year was a flop, and his contract is not up till next year. He did not prove or backup anything in 2012.

If you take away 2011, he is an average TE.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...2/jimmy-graham

He has not proven to be worth 12mm at this point. If you take away the 2011 season and he may have been cut instead of Thomas.

UK_WhoDat · 02-23-2013, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The way I see it. Graham has had 1 outstanding year, last year was a flop, and his contract is not up till next year. He did not prove or backup anything in 2012.

If you take away 2011, he is an average TE.
Jimmy Graham Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

He has not proven to be worth 12mm at this point. If you take away the 2011 season and he may have been cut instead of Thomas.

And these points are valid.

We would be $120M over the cap if we paid on potential. And still be where we are, results-wise.

spkb25 · 02-23-2013, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The way I see it. Graham has had 1 outstanding year, last year was a flop, and his contract is not up till next year. He did not prove or backup anything in 2012.

If you take away 2011, he is an average TE.
Jimmy Graham Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

He has not proven to be worth 12mm at this point. If you take away the 2011 season and he may have been cut instead of Thomas.

Um I just looked it up... he was #2 in the league in yards for TE'S. He was second in TD's. He was third in receptions. What do you consider outstanding?

spkb25 · 02-23-2013, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

And these points are valid.

No, they're not. #2, #2, and #3 is fairly outstanding, IMHO

TheOak · 02-23-2013, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Um I just looked it up... he was #2 in the league in yards for TE'S. He was second in TD's. He was third in receptions. What do you consider outstanding?

Not being #1 in drops.

Seer1 · 02-23-2013, 02:36 PM

He has a lot to prove this coming season. Was it his wrist problem that caused all the drops? More importantly right now, will this thread last through the entire year or will a new one start after next season?

02-23-2013, 01:16 AM	#31
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Jimmy Graham Could Be Targeting As Much As $12 Annually In His Next Contract yeah you don't trade talent like that, end of story.

02-23-2013, 03:36 AM	#32
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: Jimmy Graham Could Be Targeting As Much As $12 Annually In His Next Contract Originally Posted by spkb25 yeah you don't trade talent like that, end of story. Well an organization should if it seems like they won't be able to re-sign such a talent to a long term contract with reasonable compensation and the only way to really get the most benefit out of the said talent is to trade him elsewhere while he is still under contract, and have some other team pay for the talent involved. The worst case scenario being that he plays out his contract and signs with another team next offseason with the Saints potentially only getting a compensatory pick out of the whole deal. Now, I personally believe that Graham will re-sign a long term contract with the Saints and the annual worth of it will be much lower than the $12M reported in this "article." But you have to be ready to pull the trigger on a difficult choice if it seems like the best option for the organization in the long run - no matter who the player is and/or what type of talent he has.
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02-23-2013, 06:18 AM	#33
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,824	Re: Jimmy Graham Could Be Targeting As Much As $12 Annually In His Next Contract We would do well to remember that we are only as strong as our weakest link. We need to resource our weakest areas if we want to be always in contention because our very best do not deliver everytime - regardless of their pay structure.

02-23-2013, 06:31 AM	#34
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Jimmy Graham Could Be Targeting As Much As $12 Annually In His Next Contract Originally Posted by FinSaint Well an organization should if it seems like they won't be able to re-sign such a talent to a long term contract with reasonable compensation and the only way to really get the most benefit out of the said talent is to trade him elsewhere while he is still under contract, and have some other team pay for the talent involved. The worst case scenario being that he plays out his contract and signs with another team next offseason with the Saints potentially only getting a compensatory pick out of the whole deal. Now, I personally believe that Graham will re-sign a long term contract with the Saints and the annual worth of it will be much lower than the $12M reported in this "article." But you have to be ready to pull the trigger on a difficult choice if it seems like the best option for the organization in the long run - no matter who the player is and/or what type of talent he has. Certainly, and I am not advocating 12M either, but we have to pay him. The guy is top 3 at his position in the league. Just doesn't make any sense to lose talent like that. MJ shouldn't be making 11, if that's accurate. There's a cut we can make to help pay for him. But yeah- if we can't and we know it is impossible I see your point. I agree- we'll sign him

02-23-2013, 06:59 AM	#35
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	The way I see it. Graham has had 1 outstanding year, last year was a flop, and his contract is not up till next year. He did not prove or backup anything in 2012. If you take away 2011, he is an average TE. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...2/jimmy-graham He has not proven to be worth 12mm at this point. If you take away the 2011 season and he may have been cut instead of Thomas. pherein and Jamessr like this.

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02-23-2013, 07:21 AM	#36
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,824	Re: Jimmy Graham Could Be Targeting As Much As $12 Annually In His Next Contract Originally Posted by TheOak The way I see it. Graham has had 1 outstanding year, last year was a flop, and his contract is not up till next year. He did not prove or backup anything in 2012. If you take away 2011, he is an average TE. Jimmy Graham Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN He has not proven to be worth 12mm at this point. If you take away the 2011 season and he may have been cut instead of Thomas. And these points are valid. We would be $120M over the cap if we paid on potential. And still be where we are, results-wise.

02-23-2013, 01:56 PM	#37
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Jimmy Graham Could Be Targeting As Much As $12 Annually In His Next Contract Originally Posted by TheOak The way I see it. Graham has had 1 outstanding year, last year was a flop, and his contract is not up till next year. He did not prove or backup anything in 2012. If you take away 2011, he is an average TE. Jimmy Graham Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN He has not proven to be worth 12mm at this point. If you take away the 2011 season and he may have been cut instead of Thomas. Um I just looked it up... he was #2 in the league in yards for TE'S. He was second in TD's. He was third in receptions. What do you consider outstanding?

02-23-2013, 01:58 PM	#38
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Jimmy Graham Could Be Targeting As Much As $12 Annually In His Next Contract Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat And these points are valid. No, they're not. #2, #2, and #3 is fairly outstanding, IMHO

02-23-2013, 02:01 PM	#39
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Originally Posted by spkb25 Um I just looked it up... he was #2 in the league in yards for TE'S. He was second in TD's. He was third in receptions. What do you consider outstanding? Not being #1 in drops. UK_WhoDat likes this.

02-23-2013, 02:36 PM	#40
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Jimmy Graham Could Be Targeting As Much As $12 Annually In His Next Contract He has a lot to prove this coming season. Was it his wrist problem that caused all the drops? More importantly right now, will this thread last through the entire year or will a new one start after next season? jnormand and TheOak like this.

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