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Old 03-01-2013, 08:03 AM   #21
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Old 03-01-2013, 08:11 AM   #22
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Re: Jahri Evans Restructures Contract

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No, you kinda missed my point. I'm saying extending contracts (such as the Brady extension) and spreading out the money over a longer period of time, thus making the annual cap hit lower, is a good move but not something you can do with just anyone.

The Saints are NOT extending any of these contracts, because none of these guys (except for maybe Evans) is a franchise type player. Thus we're not saving money long term. Only short term. That's my point. There are people who seem to have the impression that we're off the hook, but as of now, we're just getting by.

No, you kinda missed my point.

What I was trying to say was that there's very little reason to be concerned about these restructures and their effect in the long term, because they were given to players who more than likely will be with the team for the duration of their contracts and playing at high levels, which justifies their higher base salaries towards the end of their contract. If restructures were given to players who weren't as likely to be playing out their contracts; there'd be a much bigger risk for the Saints to be on the hook for "dead money" on those players' contracts.

My point was that giving these guys the restructures was justified under the current circumstances; restructures which turn base salary into guaranteed bonuses are also something can't just do "willy nilly" with just anyone.

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No, you kinda missed my point.

What I was trying to say was that there's very little reason to be concerned about these restructures and their effect in the long term, because they were given to players who more than likely will be with the team for the duration of their contracts and playing at high levels, which justifies their higher base salaries towards the end of their contract. If restructures were given to players who weren't as likely to be playing out their contracts; there'd be a much bigger risk for the Saints to be on the hook for "dead money" on those players' contracts.

My point was that giving these guys the restructures was justified under the current circumstances; restructures which turn base salary into guaranteed bonuses are also something can't just do "willy nilly" with just anyone.
Fin, I appreciate your point and don't disagree at all. But that is not what I'm talking about. I got what you were saying the first time, but it had nothing to do with my point, with all due respect.

I stated that I understand why Loomis is doing this. He really had no choice. It's good for now. My point is not about "dead" money. When I said you can't extend contracts "willy nilly", I meant that we didn't have any players aside from Drew who we could really entertain the idea of doing that with to save money. Extending the years and lessening the annual salary would be ideal, but not every player is willing to do that, and most aren't worth the risk. So pushing the money back to deal with later is all Loomis can really do. I'm not saying that money will be dead. It could become dead if we tried to extend these guys . But what I'm saying is that eventually we have to take on all these NOW BACKLOADED contracts.

When that time comes, I don't think we'll be able to restructure again. Because these players are all at or around the age where they won't have much value left at the end of their contracts. I'm simply pointing out that this is not getting rid of the problem. I'm not arguing with what Loomis is doing. I am also not saying that we won't eventually get it all worked out. I'm just curious as to what the plan is for the future. Teams do make mistakes from time to time, so I don't think it's out of line to question them every now and then.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Fin, I appreciate your point and don't disagree at all. But that is not what I'm talking about. I got what you were saying the first time, but it had nothing to do with my point, with all due respect.

I stated that I understand why Loomis is doing this. He really had no choice. It's good for now. My point is not about "dead" money. When I said you can't extend contracts "willy nilly", I meant that we didn't have any players aside from Drew who we could really entertain the idea of doing that with to save money. Extending the years and lessening the annual salary would be ideal, but not every player is willing to do that, and most aren't worth the risk. So pushing the money back to deal with later is all Loomis can really do. I'm not saying that money will be dead. It could become dead if we tried to extend these guys . But what I'm saying is that eventually we have to take on all these NOW BACKLOADED contracts.

When that time comes, I don't think we'll be able to restructure again. Because these players are all at or around the age where they won't have much value left at the end of their contracts. I'm simply pointing out that this is not getting rid of the problem. I'm not arguing with what Loomis is doing. I am also not saying that we won't eventually get it all worked out. I'm just curious as to what the plan is for the future. Teams do make mistakes from time to time, so I don't think it's out of line to question them every now and then.
I think it should be pointed out that Loomis has Front-loaded a lot of his contracts over the last several years. Probably intentionally to enable these sorts of "adjustments" year to year without having that giant Balloon Payment due in a few years (Brees' contract obviously wasn't one of them).

There are several big contracts that will be expiring over the next couple of years, Smith, Vilma, Jenkins, Harper, Sproles, PT, Greer.

I'd imagine every one of these guys will make much much less on their next contract.
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Re: Jahri Evans Restructures Contract

An expiring contract doesn't hurt. A boat load of backloaded expiring contracts becomes tricky, because once you've deferred a player's salary once, it's difficult to do it again without extending the contract. Which brought about my point of these players not being likely candidates for extensions. Lofton might be, and Hawthorne if he gets healthy and starts to show something, could be a possibility. Obviously you can always tweak contracts a little, but considering how much has already been done, I don't know how much more can be done to make a difference. It will be interesting to say the least.

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