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TheOak 03-08-2013 09:53 AM

Cap Hits by Position
 
Normally when we look at salary cap hits I know I look at poor preforming players or large hits by default. An alternate look would be to look at what positions you have large amounts of cap hit tied into. This gives you a view from players that you may want to keep but do not need because you already have an over abundance at that position.

Some teams do not look at a specific player but look at a position, basically the Patriots will not spend more than x at TE, then work from there, regardless of how good someone thinks they are the team has a limit for that position based on perceived importance) and a player has to fit in or go somewhere else.. It takes the personal out and makes it more of a business decision.

It makes the "I like him" decision into "we do not need him". because someone may be a good price at WR but we just do not need another.

Ranked Highest to Lowest positions by Cap Hit, then highest to lowest at that position.

D.E. -18.6M
Smith
Jordan
Wilson
Richardson
Romeus

L.B - 18.4M
Vilma
Lofton
Hawthorne
Herring
Chamberline
Johnson
Broughton

QB - 17.4M
Brees

Safety - 13.2M
Harper
Jenkins
Quddus
Bush
White
Nelson

Guard - 13M
Evans
Grubbs
Henry
Oleson
Tiller
Lee

WR - 12.9M
Moore
Colston
Toon
Morgan
parker
Cadet
Givens
Fayson
Tanner
Hakim


CB - 8.8M
Greer
Robinson
Turner
Steed
Davis

RB - 8.2M

Sproles
Thomas
Ingram

T - 4.4M
Strief
Brown
Jones
Harris

DT - 4.3M
Bunkley
Johnson
Hicks
Walker
P - 2.9M
Morestead

K - 2.6M

Hartley

TE - 2.5M
Graham
Higging
Collins

Dead money
Thomas
patrick
Tennant
J. Thomas
Folkerts


Just by looking at it this way I can see "Positions" we have way too much cap hit and too many players at.


Example: Seeing we tied up 37M in LB/DE last year for the worst defense in history really turns my stomach.

dizzle88 03-08-2013 10:11 AM

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wow....

DE and LB are the highest capped positions on our team and they are probably the worst part of our team also

That hurts

TheOak 03-08-2013 10:17 AM

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Looking at it from this angle I would have to ask Loomis... WTF?

Do we need?

10 WR
6 S
7 LB


No Wonder we can not afford a tackle.

cmsaint 03-08-2013 11:09 AM

Re: Cap Hits by Position
 
Thanks for the breakdown...

Really shines some light on things. The top 3 of 4 spots are D...

Perhaps the worst ROI ever seen in business.

lee909 03-08-2013 11:40 AM

That makes for some real ugly reading.
I'm sure other teams look as bad but man that horrible especially at safety

TheOak 03-08-2013 11:48 AM

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Whats scarier than the abundance of dead weight is that we are just over the cap and do not have:

Bu QB
Bu Kicker
Bu Punter

Shoe. 03-08-2013 12:08 PM

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Damn we're still paying Matt Tennant?? Wowzers

Danno 03-08-2013 02:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 484405)
Looking at it from this angle I would have to ask Loomis... WTF?

Do we need?

10 WR
6 S
7 LB


No Wonder we can not afford a tackle.

Well 6 of those 10 WR's salaries combined probably wouldn't be enough to buy a couple large Shrimp Po Boys. And they're including Cadet as a WR.

They're also listing practice squad guys too. Waterboys make as much as they do.

TheOak 03-08-2013 02:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 484448)
Well 6 of those 10 WR's salaries combined probably wouldn't be enough to buy a couple large Shrimp Po Boys. And they're including Cadet as a WR.

They're also listing practice squad guys too. Waterboys make as much as they do.

When the practice squad goes against the cap... They count..


However, NONE of those salary's are below 406k/year. Practice squad guys do not make 406k a year.

Bottom 4 WR 1.6M

The highest paid player in the NFL on a practice squad is 300k/year

Some examples of what PS guys make in a season on the bottom
New England Patriots have top-paid NFL practice squad - NFL.com


How much does a shrimp po-boy in Alabama cost you anyway brother? You may need to move.

Danno 03-08-2013 02:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 484451)
When the practice squad goes against the cap... They count..


However, NONE of those salary's are below 406k/year. Practice squad guys do not make 406k a year.

Bottom 4 WR 1.6M

The highest paid player in the NFL on a practice squad is 300k/year

Some examples of what PS guys make in a season on the bottom
New England Patriots have top-paid NFL practice squad - NFL.com


How much does a shrimp po-boy in Alabama cost you anyway brother? You may need to move.

Loking at the WR's Colston + Moore = 9 million

The following 8 WR's (1 is a RB) combined are 3.9 million

Thats not much more than what we pay one single punter. :p

TheOak 03-08-2013 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 484453)
Loking at the WR's Colston + Moore = 9 million

The following 8 WR's (1 is a RB) combined are 3.9 million

Thats not much more than what we pay one single punter. :p

Point being we have no excess punters.
Now back to that 480k shrimp poboy... special sauce? Lol

Danno 03-08-2013 03:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 484454)
Point being we have no excess punters.
Now back to that 480k shrimp poboy... special sauce? Lol

And my point was 10 WR's (9 actually) wasn't a big deal money wise.

And I have my po boys imported from New Orleans. Dey a buch a crooks!:p

TheOak 03-08-2013 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 484458)
And my point was 10 WR's (9 actually) wasn't a big deal money wise.

And I have my po boys imported from New Orleans. Dey a buch a crooks!:p

You like yours E. Edwards style .

FinSaint 03-08-2013 04:55 PM

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I wonder how accurate this listing is since players like William Robinson (OT-$615K) aren't listed at all?!

And I'm pretty sure Corey White is considered a CB as far as the Saints go.

vpheughan 03-08-2013 09:01 PM

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What is it with Payton and kickers? First he cuts Carney and pays dearly for that decision, then cuts Steve Weatherford and has to give up two draft choices to get a replacement.

jeanpierre 03-08-2013 09:47 PM

Re: Cap Hits by Position
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 484405)
Looking at it from this angle I would have to ask Loomis... WTF?

Do we need?

10 WR
6 S
7 LB


No Wonder we can not afford a tackle.

But he's the magic man and can do no wrong

Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 484404)
wow....

DE and LB are the highest capped positions on our team and they are probably the worst part of our team also

That hurts

LOL, The Saints are being run just like government...

Quote:

Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 484535)
What is it with Payton and kickers? First he cuts Carney and pays dearly for that decision, then cuts Steve Weatherford and has to give up two draft choices to get a replacement.

He may be an offensive prodigy, but he is from the line of Parcells; and Tuna knew special teams was often the difference in games...

TheOak 03-09-2013 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 484475)
I wonder how accurate this listing is since players like William Robinson (OT-$615K) aren't listed at all?!

And I'm pretty sure Corey White is considered a CB as far as the Saints go.

Why would he be listed at all? He is a free agent. The list is correct.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/...lliam-robinson

hagan714 03-09-2013 06:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoe. (Post 484421)
Damn we're still paying Matt Tennant?? Wowzers

the dreaded carry over

Danno 03-09-2013 08:56 AM

Re: Cap Hits by Position
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 484577)
the dreaded carry over

We probably had to do that in order to sign Brees, although I seriously doubt Tennat was much more than league minimum.


Looks like it was a 270,000 cap hit spread over 2012 and 2013, so basically 13,500, or the equivalent of a single Drew Brees snap.

Rugby Saint II 03-12-2013 02:15 PM

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:popcorn:

darstep 03-13-2013 10:23 AM

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This is good stuff Oak.
Decisions have to be made.
There are some things we must have, and we will pay for it.
There are other things we hope and pray we can get away with, and we will roll the dice.
The ofense has to maintain a high level of efficiency, especially if the defence is still finding their way.
Scoring +30 and still losing didn't work for us.
I still think the Brees money brings with it some serious limitations in other areas.


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