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AsylumGuido 03-12-2013 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEnigma (Post 485328)
Bad move, these guys should have been cut, Would have freed up more space
I doubt that. We would have taken a $7 million cap hit had they been cut.

TheDeuce 03-12-2013 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NuNu318 (Post 485319)
Exactly at some point you have to cut ties with these guys....they're not helping at this point in their careers....
Maybe just me, but I think these guys still provide value to this team. Will Smith could be a nice fit as a 3-4 DE which places emphasis on stopping the run; something he does very well (and even though he's not a speed pass rusher, he had second most sacks on the team).

IMHO, these guys are good role players... what we really need is to get impact pass rushers at the 3-4 OLB positions. Getting a few speedy guys to get to the QB will solve a lot of ills on this defense.

Mardigras9 03-12-2013 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 485323)
Still waiting on Harper news. I'm beginning to think maybe a trade is involved.
With you there Danno.

Danno 03-12-2013 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardigras9 (Post 485380)
With you there Danno.
Now that we're under the cap there's no urgency to address the Harper issue.

We may hear nothing about it for a while.

Torfino 03-12-2013 04:20 PM
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You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million.

hagan714 03-12-2013 04:27 PM
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bushrod is talking to the bears as i type. LT is a big issue

FinSaint 03-12-2013 04:29 PM
Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Torfino (Post 485385)
You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million.

But you're not taking into account the money they'll - potentially - be paid on top of that dead money.

If it was both of them just for $7M this season it would certainly be more acceptable than the $23M their cap hits would've been this coming season without the restructures (Smith $14.5M & Vilma $8.7M).

You definitely could get quality talent with $16M and "eat" the hit you take in dead money in the process.

RockyMountainSaint 03-12-2013 04:39 PM
Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Torfino (Post 485385)
You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million.
Good point Torfino. They should be more attractive for teams to trade for.
I hadn't considered this before.

btw, welcome to the community.

Torfino 03-12-2013 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 485392)
But you're not taking into account the money they'll - potentially - be paid on top of that dead money.

If it was both of them just for $7M this season it would certainly be more acceptable than the $23M their cap hits would've been this coming season without the restructures (Smith $14.5M & Vilma $8.7M).

You definitely could get quality talent with $16M and "eat" the hit you take in dead money in the process.
I guess we know till we see the numbers. If we take a $9M total hit then we got a nickel ILB and a situational rusher for $2M. And what price goes on their leadership?

I personally hope we trade them though.


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