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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I'll take a drew brees led team with a broke defense than a mark sanchez lead team with a talented defense. WE ARE BROKE PEOPLE, we have to trust our F.O....

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Old 03-14-2013, 02:52 PM   #41
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I'll take a drew brees led team with a broke defense than a mark sanchez lead team with a talented defense. WE ARE BROKE PEOPLE, we have to trust our F.O.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:10 PM   #42
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I think your definition of score is a bit off, or at the least, we interpret it much differently. I don't think the person you were replying to, originally, was saying that we haven't signed decent role players. A score is getting a major contributor.

Also though, you listed some players who were rookie free agents, which is a different animal. It's easy to sign RFA's, and you can sign a ton without any real risk. Most of them get cut within weeks. And some of the players on that list just weren't, or aren't any good.

Tom Johnson is just another preseason warrior. Bunkley, to this point, has not validated his contract. De la peunta was somebody we signed off the shelf during a training camp. McCray had his moments, but was mostly ineffective, and he was given too much money to be a role player. He was expected to be a starter who could come in and post at least 9 or 10 sacks. And guys like Prioleau and Reis were just special teamers. Decent special teamers, and I'm not downplaying their importance, but those aren't the type of players I think of as being a "score".

This doesn't mean the Saints have done a bad job, though they've made some mistakes in free agency. I just think that list was a bit exaggerated.
I didn't list any UDFA's did I?

And again my point, that apparently you totally missed twice now, was that claiming that we NEVER score was absurd.

What exactly do you not understand about the word NEVER?
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:35 PM   #43
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I just hate seeing us sitting here when the Falcons are signing Jackson and SF is also making some awesome improvements. I said to pay Brees this time last year. I see how much of a stupid thought that was, now. I fear we closed our window when we gave him that fat contract. Everyone is getting better but us, and we have more holes to fill than anyone.
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:04 AM   #44
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I didn't list any UDFA's did I?

And again my point, that apparently you totally missed twice now, was that claiming that we NEVER score was absurd.

What exactly do you not understand about the word NEVER?
Perhaps if you weren't too busy being an over confident, self proclaimed "truth addict", you could have been able to read the first line of my first reply. It said "I agree that we've had a few good signings". I know we've done some good things, and that is precisely why I made a point of agreeing with you there. So ummm, no. I did not miss your point. But thanks anyway for the annoying huge letters.

However, you then you proceeded to give a very unimpressive list of players, with the couple exceptions. And in my opinion, it watered down your attempt to push your argument.

Since you asked me if you listed any UDFA's, the short answer is yes. Here they are:

Isa Abdul Quddus- He was originally signed by the Saints an undrafted free agent.

Lance Moore- He was initially signed by the Browns as an undrafted free agent, then subsequently released and signed by the Saints, was released later on, and then re-signed. Don't call this a genius move, when they stole this guy and almost let him walk away.

Steve Gleason- Similar to Moore, he was signed as an UDFA -by the Colts in this case- released shortly thereafter, and signed by the Saints.

So yes, as I said, you mentioned a lot of either crappy players, average players, or UDFA's who should not be counted when discussing free agency. You're not fighting a pack of wolves to sign a rookie free agent, such as you do with proven veterans.

Also, many of the other players you listed were undrafted free agents originally, but we signed those players years after, so they do classify as veteran free agents, but we signed those guys of the scrapheap. De La Peunta bounced around practice squads for 4 years until he got here. That's not the same as going into the free agent market and identifying a guy who you think can make you better. It's just plain luck for the Saints, and hard work by De La Peunta.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Ladies, can we get past defamation? Seriously, it really takes away from the discussion. Focus on the upcoming season.

The OP was crystal clear on his words. The subjective word in this quote is "Score"
"We never really score in free agency, it's always really frustrating to monitor"


IMHO to score in free agency for the Saints is not getting someone the rest of the league thinks is great. For the Saints to score huge in FA all re need to do is replace someone who had 5 passes defended with someone that will have 20 passes defended. Or replace someone with 3 sacks with someone that gets 15 sacks...

THOSE my friends are scores for us.

However if you are looking for a Hugemongous SCORE in FA, I would say Drew Brees has been left off of the list and is one of the biggest FA accusations in recent history.

Did someone actually say Greer/Roby were good for us but we could survive with out Lance "CLUTCH"Moore? Sorry, if you are going to grade our most clutch receiver that hard than Greer does not get a good grade.

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Old 03-15-2013, 07:49 AM   #46
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Who is defaming anyone? The discussion is what it is. Nothing is taking away from it. And your definition of a score is what I'm talking about. I don't care what the rest of the league thinks of a guy. When I think of a significant free agent signing, I think of someone who makes his position markedly better.

Where I have a problem with certain people's take on it, is when they just name everyone on the team who wasn't originally drafted by the Saints, and make it seem as though they're all brilliant acquisitions. It's not hard to understand the point I'm making. Also, Drew Brees was not left off of anyone's list. He is among those I would consider to have been a "score". No freaking duh, of course he was... Thanks for the insight.

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The discussion is about players. Not someone's avatar area or signature block.

You are welcome to start a thread about that in the everything else area if you like.
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Perhaps if you weren't too busy being an over confident, self proclaimed "truth addict", you could have been able to read the first line of my first reply. It said "I agree that we've had a few good signings". I know we've done some good things, and that is precisely why I made a point of agreeing with you there. So ummm, no. I did not miss your point. But thanks anyway for the annoying huge letters.

However, you then you proceeded to give a very unimpressive list of players, with the couple exceptions. And in my opinion, it watered down your attempt to push your argument.

Since you asked me if you listed any UDFA's, the short answer is yes. Here they are:

Isa Abdul Quddus- He was originally signed by the Saints an undrafted free agent.

Lance Moore- He was initially signed by the Browns as an undrafted free agent, then subsequently released and signed by the Saints, was released later on, and then re-signed. Don't call this a genius move, when they stole this guy and almost let him walk away.

Steve Gleason- Similar to Moore, he was signed as an UDFA -by the Colts in this case- released shortly thereafter, and signed by the Saints.

So yes, as I said, you mentioned a lot of either crappy players, average players, or UDFA's who should not be counted when discussing free agency. You're not fighting a pack of wolves to sign a rookie free agent, such as you do with proven veterans.

Also, many of the other players you listed were undrafted free agents originally, but we signed those players years after, so they do classify as veteran free agents, but we signed those guys of the scrapheap. De La Peunta bounced around practice squads for 4 years until he got here. That's not the same as going into the free agent market and identifying a guy who you think can make you better. It's just plain luck for the Saints, and hard work by De La Peunta.
I don't consider signing players someone else drafted as one of our UDFA's.

But you are right. IAQ is the only one I listed that we signed as an UDFA. All the rest we signed as free-agent.

If you're claiming that "scoring in free agency" is the equivalent of a Drew Brees signing than I agree with you. We never score, and 31 other teams never score either.

Do you consider Keenan Lewis a score? I do.
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for clarity...a score = drew brees, sproles, lofton, greer.
the rest of the list...not scores...those are signings. Chris reis is not a score.

and to the comment about Lance Moore, as drew brees goes so does lance moore. moore is only good when playing for a good qb. he doesnt create seperation that often but he catches everything. brees throws him open and it works out great because he catches everything. pair moore with the likes of a matt ryan or alex smith and he rides pine

Keenan lewis appears to be a score.
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I don't consider signing players someone else drafted as one of our UDFA's.

But you are right. IAQ is the only one I listed that we signed as an UDFA. All the rest we signed as free-agent.

If you're claiming that "scoring in free agency" is the equivalent of a Drew Brees signing than I agree with you. We never score, and 31 other teams never score either.

Do you consider Keenan Lewis a score? I do.
Now your getting it Danno...

Dont you feel better about this signing than when they signed Chris Reis or Peirson Preilou?
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