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TreyThomas 03-15-2013 07:11 AM

Glad Bushrod is gone!
 
According to Pro Football Focus, Bushrod has allowed more combined sacks, hits and hurries than any available offensive lineman over the past two years. While Jay Cutler has a mobility edge on Drew Brees, the latter has a superior pocket presence with a quicker release. Brees often covered for Bushrod's weakness against speed rushers.

After reading this, I'd say we couldn't get much worse. Bushrod is a product of Brees, not the other way around. On to the next one, so that in 3-4 years, they can be overpaid, too.

rezburna 03-15-2013 07:14 AM

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Bushrod was good. The Bears overpaid, but Bush is good. People are so used to it now that they don't realize Drew has a lot of moments where he holds the ball forever. Quick release doesn't matter when you stand back there 5-8 seconds waiting on the big play. Now Strief is a different story....

TreyThomas 03-15-2013 07:15 AM

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I disagree. Brees may hold it too long at times, but nothing compared to other QB's, like let's say, Cutler. Allowing more combined sacks,
hits and hurries than any available offensive lineman over the past two years is a major red flag in my opinion. No loss here.

alleycat_126 03-15-2013 07:23 AM

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Cutler has the balls of the immortals to keep getting back up..... His offensive line has held together by Elmers glue and pieces of duct tape..... Hell even our DL who had never been known to get after the qb posted six sacks on there OL a few years ago. Have you seen the bags under Cutler's eyes in his NFL commercial.... He ain't sleeping, he's having nightmares of getting sacked again, and again!!!! They needed to over pay, Bush might not be perfect, but he just may be the best starting OL they have right now!!!!

Cruize 03-15-2013 07:35 AM

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Glad for Bushrod. He got paid. He was a very solid starter for the Saints. People seem to forget the revolving door the Saints had at RT last year. Now, they have to find a stater at LT along with the RT uncertainty. The loss of Nicks hurt last year and the loss of Bushrod will hurt this year unless the Saints find a gem in the draft. Being without a 2nd rounder and with the needs on the defense, it's not going to be easy to do.

TheOak 03-15-2013 07:39 AM

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Bushrod was manhandled in 2012... Watch the damn tapes, from pre-season to game 16.

rezburna 03-15-2013 07:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TreyThomas (Post 486681)
I disagree. Brees may hold it too long at times, but nothing compared to other QB's, like let's say, Cutler. Allowing more combined sacks,
hits and hurries than any available offensive lineman over the past two years is a major red flag in my opinion. No loss here.

He would usually have the opponents best pass rusher, so on those rare occasions when he wanted to hold the ball forever, he'd sometimes have to pay for it. We won the Super Bowl with Bushrod. He was good. He can be replaced, but this loss hurts a bit

|Mitch| 03-15-2013 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 486689)
The loss of Nicks hurt last year and the loss of Bushrod will hurt this year unless the Saints find a gem in the draft.

I must have missed something; didn't Grubbs grade out better than what Nicks did the previous year here?

rezburna 03-15-2013 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 486695)
I must have missed something; didn't Grubbs grade out better than what Nicks did the previous year here?

that's true. Grubbs did his thing. We need Strief out of there though.

hagan714 03-15-2013 08:02 AM

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look i have been beating the drum for years about OLT but in no way am i happy Bush is gone. i wanted him at RT and that imo is a position he can perform at a higher level.

Now we are backed into a corner at LT.

rezburna 03-15-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 486701)
look i have been beating the drum for years about OLT but in no way am i happy Bush is gone. i wanted him at RT and that imo is a position he can perform at a higher level.

Now we are backed into a corner at LT.

bingo.

TheOak 03-15-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 486693)
He would usually have the opponents best pass rusher, so on those rare occasions when he wanted to hold the ball forever, he'd sometimes have to pay for it. We won the Super Bowl with Bushrod. He was good. He can be replaced, but this loss hurts a bit

Be careful defining everyone on a Super Bowl Winning team as good... That was also 4 years ago... Tike takes its toll on players.

Trent Dilfer has a SB ring...

Jamessr 03-15-2013 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TreyThomas (Post 486679)
While Jay Cutler has a mobility edge on Drew Brees,

Lies...
Drew is very underated on his mobility

burningmetal 03-15-2013 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 486680)
Bushrod was good. The Bears overpaid, but Bush is good. People are so used to it now that they don't realize Drew has a lot of moments where he holds the ball forever. Quick release doesn't matter when you stand back there 5-8 seconds waiting on the big play. Now Strief is a different story....

When Brees holds the ball too long he gets sacked. When he's not holding it too long he either uses the quick release or steps up in the pocket. He has always had some of the best pocket awareness in the game, though it waned a lot this past year. It's hard to give Bushrod or any other tackle credit for making Brees run for his life, or get sacked if he decides to hold it too long.

I've been saying it since his first start. He's not a total push over like Charles Brown, but he isn't a true starter either. Drew, the system and all of the chipping assignments that were used to help, are what masked Bushrod's weaknesses.

As for his pro bowl selections. People tend to pick players from the best teams. It's a lazy excuse many use to avoid doing any homework. They just go "oh, look, this guy was the starting left tackle on the best offense in the league, so he must be good". They don't bother to watch film on how hard the team works to patch up both of our tackles. I would rather have him then the other options we have on our roster, but I'[m pretty sure we can find someone out there who at least won't be worse than Bushrod.

SaintsBro 03-15-2013 09:24 AM

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What happened with Bushrod IMO was that he was never supposed to be THE GUY, but he stepped in when Jamaal Brown went down, and suddenly the team got hot and we won a Super Bowl, so the Saints and Payton (as they sometimes do) were like, okay -- let's keep rolling with that. It was sloppy and ugly at times, but became part of the deal of how the team rolled in each Sunday. The fact that Bushrod barely held it together JUST ENOUGH to make it work, for relatively little money, is what got us very far, by being able to allow the coaches and GM to focus on other areas.

There is a LOT of smoke and mirrors on this team. Especially the O-line. I'm not even saying that is a bad thing, but that's just how the team works. Payton is all "Wizard of Oz" with this stuff -- he is back there turning cranks and pulling levers and making the thing spit out sparks, and some of it is very successful at deceiving people. And Bushrod was some of the smoke.

rezburna 03-15-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 486715)
Be careful defining everyone on a Super Bowl Winning team as good... That was also 4 years ago... Tike takes its toll on players.

Trent Dilfer has a SB ring...

he went up against Freeney and Mathis, and did his thing. Just sayin'...

Jamessr 03-15-2013 09:29 AM

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Don't make this out to be "sour grapes"
Bushrod was good for our system. Good luck to the guy because he got his payday for his skills which is what everyone is trying to do

FinSaint 03-15-2013 10:35 AM

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I'm definitely not glad Bushrod is gone, but I am glad that the Saints didn't overpay him to stay with the team.

voodooido 03-15-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TreyThomas (Post 486679)
According to Pro Football Focus, Bushrod has allowed more combined sacks, hits and hurries than any available offensive lineman over the past two years. While Jay Cutler has a mobility edge on Drew Brees, the latter has a superior pocket presence with a quicker release. Brees often covered for Bushrod's weakness against speed rushers.

After reading this, I'd say we couldn't get much worse. Bushrod is a product of Brees, not the other way around. On to the next one, so that in 3-4 years, they can be overpaid, too.

Is this Charles Brown?:clown:

Rugby Saint II 03-15-2013 01:18 PM

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Next man up!

Do Your Job!

TheOak 03-15-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 486721)
he went up against Freeney and Mathis, and did his thing. Just sayin'...

In 2009 this is 2013. Should we try to get Willie Roaf under contract this season? He was better.

Jamessr 03-15-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 486787)
Next man up!

Do Your Job!

I don't believe in that...
There is a reason you're the starter in the 1st place

TheOak 03-15-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 486816)
I don't believe in that...
There is a reason you're the starter in the 1st place


And in the NFL that reason is because the last man stopped doing his job for some reason or another.

Papa Voodoo 03-15-2013 02:40 PM

Re: Glad Bushrod is gone!
 
We use our Tackles like guards and vice versa. Bushrod was very good pulling in the run game. Strief is terrible. Of course, we pass way more than run so it wasn't a huge loss. We have tackles on the roster that can fill Bushrod's role. Maybe we'll get lucky and Jake Long will decide he wants to play with Drew too :)

FinSaint 03-15-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 486822)
We use our Tackles like guards and vice versa. Bushrod was very good pulling in the run game. Strief is terrible. Of course, we pass way more than run so it wasn't a huge loss. We have tackles on the roster that can fill Bushrod's role. Maybe we'll get lucky and Jake Long will decide he wants to play with Drew too :)


The impression that I've gotten - however misguided it might be - about Long is that he'll go after the money all day long rather than considering where he'd potentially have the most success.

rezburna 03-15-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 486792)
In 2009 this is 2013. Should we try to get Willie Roaf under contract this season? He was better.

What are you getting at? Jermon Bushrod is 28 years old.

Like I said, Drew Brees holds the ball for a LONG time every now and then. Bushrod isn't the greatest LT we've ever had, but he was definitely a good one.

Then nobody is even considering the fact we played from behind a lot. We're already a predominantly passing team. Everybody knew to just pin their ears back and rush.

Leighton B 03-15-2013 08:24 PM

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I LIKE BUSHROD AT RT TOO! but Gubbs replaced Nicks better than Nicks replaced the srub he replaced in TB! Seriously Nicks only played in like 12 games all while getting almost 10mil more than Grubbs! Mickey l
and Sean are one of the best at bottom lining guys to the EXACT BARE SIDE OF THE MARKET! Thank-you Drew Brees!

saintsfan403 03-15-2013 09:34 PM

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I wouldn't say I'm happy, but he got way overpaid. **** it though, the bears are never gonna be a contender with cutler, so we'll find someone who wants a ring more than a payday. IN PAYTON I TRUST!

Utah_Saint 03-15-2013 10:27 PM

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I'm glad the Saints didn't over pay. I've read a few sites now that list the Baker signing in Atlanta as one of the worst signings this season because they just flat out paid too much money.

saintsfan403 03-15-2013 11:58 PM

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What was Volmer's salary in NE/how much do you figure he'd go for?

|Mitch| 03-16-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 486924)
I'm glad the Saints didn't over pay. I've read a few sites now that list the Baker signing in Atlanta as one of the worst signings this season because they just flat out paid too much money.

Quoted from WalterFootball, contract is not that bad...

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Falcons sign OT Sam Baker (6 years, $41.5M; $18.25M guaranteed): B+ Grade
This looks like a terrible contract at first glance. Giving a guy with back problems $41.5 million over six years would be a huge disaster - even if he happens to be the franchise quarterback's blind-side protector. But the fact is that the overall numbers are misleading. Stripped down, Baker's contract is for three years and $13.5 million. The rest is performance-based.

Given that knowledge, this is a very good re-signing for the Falcons. It's still a lot of guaranteed money, but retaining Baker was crucial for Matt Ryan's protection. Baker has had a shaky career in Atlanta up until the 2012 season, but he performed extremely well last year. He could always regress if his back flares up, but even if he does, Atlanta won't be stuck with a bad contract on its hands.

Utah_Saint 03-16-2013 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 487001)
Quoted from WalterFootball, contract is not that bad...

The first reports that came out claimed a 6 year $41 million dollar contract with $18 million guaranteed. THAT would have been terrible. Now that we know that isn't the case, the 3 year contract isn't as bad for the Falcons. Nevertheless...

PFF had this to say.

Sam Baker is like most starting LTs in the league, a former first-round tackle, but only one year has he really been able to look anything other than a major liability; 2012, his contract year. Even last year, the best we have seen from Baker, he was only our 27th-ranked OT, surrendering six sacks and allowing Matt Ryan to hit the deck another eight times on the year. The Falcons took this improvement as a signal to throw $20 million of guaranteed money at him rather than risk moving on without him and potentially disrupting Matt Ryan’s pass protection. Senseless.


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