if the saints go better then 7-9 this year then

spkb25 · 09-08-2004, 06:10 PM

if we go better then 7-9 this year, jim haslett would have done better with them in his first 5 years then holmgren has with seattle in his first 5. n people r calling for him to be fired r u kidding me

CmDeuce26 · 09-08-2004, 06:19 PM

Holmgreen also had sort of a job security cushion by winning a SB in Green Bay. Also, I think he would have been fired if he didn\'t make the playoffs last year.

spkb25 · 09-08-2004, 06:26 PM

oh i didnt say what the expectations were this year only that it takes a while to build a winner n haslett should be given the same. we r headed there. n we will continue to improve our d over the next couple of year n i expect us to make the playoffs this year. dont u? i really do. i wasnt so sure last year n there seems to be something different about this team. i could be wrong it is completely possible but i think we make the playoffs. but i agree with ur post. but im not ready to fire haslett just yet. although if we play the same way as last year then i would agree there has to be a problem

dodgelsu · 09-08-2004, 07:26 PM

UMMMMMMM FIRST QUIT COMPARING HASLETT TO HOLMGREN. HOLMGREN IS A PROVEN COACH WHO HAD WON A SB. HASLLET 1 PLAYOFF GAME AND SINCE THEN GOING 24-24.
HOLMGREN WOULDN\'T HAVE BEEN FIRED LAST YEAR IF THEY DIDN\'T MAKE PLAYOFFS. EVERYBODY IN THE ORGANIZATION AND EVEN THE GM HAS SAID THAT HE HAD NO PRESSURE. HE HAD TO GET THE RIGHT PERSONNEL AND THEIR BETTER WERE JUST A .500 BALL CLUB

YOU KNOW ITS BAD IF THE SAINTS ARE WORSE THAN THE SEAHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

spkb25 · 09-08-2004, 07:30 PM

if ur comments made sense i\'d answer u.

[Edited on 9/9/2004 by saintfan]

ScottyRo · 09-08-2004, 09:01 PM

I\'m rooting for Haslet as hard as I can, but if the Saints don\'t make the playoffs this year (I don\'t care if we\'re 10-6), fire him. He\'s had plenty of time to get this team going.

In the playoffs and a decent showing in the game is the minimum he\'d have to do for me to keep him if I were Benson.

vulture · 09-08-2004, 10:09 PM

Agreed. 10-6. playoffs. decent showing. he keeps his job. new defensive coordinator. a couple of nice defensive free agent signings/draft picks. this team could be a contender.

pakowitz · 09-08-2004, 10:10 PM

i understand what ur tryin to say spkb25, except that holmgren\'s team has improved from when he first got there and ours has declined

CmDeuce26 · 09-09-2004, 11:42 AM

spkb25, Man I agree with you, something does seem different this year and I really think we will do well and make the playoffs. I see the saints going 10-6. Heh, I have to admit I am optimistic every year. I too am hoping Haslett can prove himself and keep his job.

Puddinhead · 09-09-2004, 02:36 PM

i understand what ur tryin to say spkb25, except that holmgren\'s team has improved from when he first got there and ours has declined

How can you possibly say that? Any rational analysis of the situations both coaches inherited and the jobs they\'ve done since couldn\'t legitimately come to that conclusion. In fact, the realistic conclusion to come to is that Haslett has actually done a better job than Holmgren, all things considered.

In the four years before Holmgren was hired by Seattle, the Seahawks had registered seasons of 8-8, 7-9, 8-8, and 8-8; a .484 clip. There was one losing season. In the five years under Holmgren, the Seahawks played to a .586 winning percentage, and had losing records in his second year and fourth year there. He registered 9 wins his first season and then 7 and 10 in his last two.

In the four seasons before Haslett was hired in NO, the Saints went 3-13, 6-10, 6-10, and 3-13; a .281 clip. They obviously were all losing seasons. In the four seasons under Haslett, the Saints played to a .531 winning percentage, and had a losing record in his second season only. He registered 10 wins his first season, and 9 and 8 in his last two.

Now, who brought his team farther, faster? And incidentally, if you only look at Holmgren\'s first four years, to corelate to Haslett having had four years so far, you find that Holmgren took a team that had played .484 ball for four years and coached them up to......484 ball. Identical record. With 9 and then 7 wins in his last two seasons.

[Edited on 9/9/2004 by Puddinhead]

09-08-2004, 06:10 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	if the saints go better then 7-9 this year then if we go better then 7-9 this year, jim haslett would have done better with them in his first 5 years then holmgren has with seattle in his first 5. n people r calling for him to be fired r u kidding me

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CmDeuce26 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 21	if the saints go better then 7-9 this year then Holmgreen also had sort of a job security cushion by winning a SB in Green Bay. Also, I think he would have been fired if he didn\'t make the playoffs last year.
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	if the saints go better then 7-9 this year then oh i didnt say what the expectations were this year only that it takes a while to build a winner n haslett should be given the same. we r headed there. n we will continue to improve our d over the next couple of year n i expect us to make the playoffs this year. dont u? i really do. i wasnt so sure last year n there seems to be something different about this team. i could be wrong it is completely possible but i think we make the playoffs. but i agree with ur post. but im not ready to fire haslett just yet. although if we play the same way as last year then i would agree there has to be a problem
	Your team stinks

09-08-2004, 07:26 PM	#4
dodgelsu Registered Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 60	if the saints go better then 7-9 this year then UMMMMMMM FIRST QUIT COMPARING HASLETT TO HOLMGREN. HOLMGREN IS A PROVEN COACH WHO HAD WON A SB. HASLLET 1 PLAYOFF GAME AND SINCE THEN GOING 24-24. HOLMGREN WOULDN\'T HAVE BEEN FIRED LAST YEAR IF THEY DIDN\'T MAKE PLAYOFFS. EVERYBODY IN THE ORGANIZATION AND EVEN THE GM HAS SAID THAT HE HAD NO PRESSURE. HE HAD TO GET THE RIGHT PERSONNEL AND THEIR BETTER WERE JUST A .500 BALL CLUB YOU KNOW ITS BAD IF THE SAINTS ARE WORSE THAN THE SEAHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	if the saints go better then 7-9 this year then if ur comments made sense i\'d answer u. [Edited on 9/9/2004 by saintfan]

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ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	if the saints go better then 7-9 this year then I\'m rooting for Haslet as hard as I can, but if the Saints don\'t make the playoffs this year (I don\'t care if we\'re 10-6), fire him. He\'s had plenty of time to get this team going. In the playoffs and a decent showing in the game is the minimum he\'d have to do for me to keep him if I were Benson.

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vulture Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 83	if the saints go better then 7-9 this year then Agreed. 10-6. playoffs. decent showing. he keeps his job. new defensive coordinator. a couple of nice defensive free agent signings/draft picks. this team could be a contender.
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pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	if the saints go better then 7-9 this year then i understand what ur tryin to say spkb25, except that holmgren\'s team has improved from when he first got there and ours has declined

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CmDeuce26 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 21	if the saints go better then 7-9 this year then spkb25, Man I agree with you, something does seem different this year and I really think we will do well and make the playoffs. I see the saints going 10-6. Heh, I have to admit I am optimistic every year. I too am hoping Haslett can prove himself and keep his job.
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09-09-2004, 02:36 PM	#10
Puddinhead 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 102	if the saints go better then 7-9 this year then i understand what ur tryin to say spkb25, except that holmgren\'s team has improved from when he first got there and ours has declined How can you possibly say that? Any rational analysis of the situations both coaches inherited and the jobs they\'ve done since couldn\'t legitimately come to that conclusion. In fact, the realistic conclusion to come to is that Haslett has actually done a better job than Holmgren, all things considered. In the four years before Holmgren was hired by Seattle, the Seahawks had registered seasons of 8-8, 7-9, 8-8, and 8-8; a .484 clip. There was one losing season. In the five years under Holmgren, the Seahawks played to a .586 winning percentage, and had losing records in his second year and fourth year there. He registered 9 wins his first season and then 7 and 10 in his last two. In the four seasons before Haslett was hired in NO, the Saints went 3-13, 6-10, 6-10, and 3-13; a .281 clip. They obviously were all losing seasons. In the four seasons under Haslett, the Saints played to a .531 winning percentage, and had a losing record in his second season only. He registered 10 wins his first season, and 9 and 8 in his last two. Now, who brought his team farther, faster? And incidentally, if you only look at Holmgren\'s first four years, to corelate to Haslett having had four years so far, you find that Holmgren took a team that had played .484 ball for four years and coached them up to......484 ball. Identical record. With 9 and then 7 wins in his last two seasons. [Edited on 9/9/2004 by Puddinhead]
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