Mark Ingram Needs More Carries

TheOak · 03-22-2013, 02:19 PM

Excuses........... excuses......... Could we possibly think of more?

Danno · 03-22-2013, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Excuses........... excuses......... Could we possibly think of more?

I saw mostly reasons, not excuses.

iceshack149 · 03-22-2013, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I was big on Ingram coming out of Alabama(Roll Tide). I've soured on him a bit. He has that taunting mentality and seems to be a bit of a thug.

But mostly, he didn't run with passion until after Sproles broke his hand and Ingram was splitting carries with him. Ivory came out slamming the defenders. He was running hard and looking good. That was the game in my opinion when Ingram felt threatened and came out running like he was posessed.
I don't know if we have to keep Ivory around to bolster Ingrams run game or not. But I am worried about how much heart he has.

I really wanted him to be like Emmitt Smith. Humble and hard working. Payton knows how to motivate players so I'm hoping for big things from Ingram after coach watched him run last year while yelling at the TV.

It did seem that when Ivory came in for plays it changed Ingrams desire. I can't prove that but it sure seemed like it.

I do not see any thug in Ingram. Like Graham, I think that he can get emotional but I'm not seeing thug.

And Emmitt Smith was NOT humble. Hard working maybe, but certainly not humble and he'll tell you that himself. He was just like Irvin. Obnoxious but pretty darn good football players. Many people with football knowledge picked Ingram to be the next Emmitt Smith but many people also pegged Reggie Bush to be the next Gale Sayers.

My thinking is yes, Ingram needs more carries. Work the kid and let him get into a rhythm. And I hope that Payton lights him up at every chance he gets to make sure that he's ready to be the RB that the Saints traded up to get a couple of years ago.

EDIT: I'm waffling now but if MI gets the majority of the carries this season that would mean less chances for PT to be on the field and Thomas is a better all-around back, in my opinion. Perhaps I'd just like to see Ingram wear teams out in the second half of games.

TheOak · 03-22-2013, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I saw mostly reasons, not excuses.

"He doesn't play enough to play well"?
If a prerequisite to more play is not good play, what is? We should just play a player more because......

"Going around blockers is not his style"
I scratch my head in this one.

Danno · 03-22-2013, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

"He doesn't play enough to play well"?
If a prerequisite to more play is not good play, what is? We should just play a player more because......

"Going around blockers is not his style"
I scratch my head in this one.

You should have quoted those instead of the numerous valid reasons his stats aren't better.

I'm not buying the more carries argument either. I think better blocking and less predictable plays would help him more than anything else.

I don't view those as excuses.

TheOak · 03-22-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You should have quoted those instead of the numerous valid reasons his stats aren't better.

I'm not buying the more carries argument either. I think better blocking and less predictable plays would help him more than anything else.

I don't view those as excuses.

I did quote those. The only items I have addressed here are his not enough runs, and its a blocking scheme reason, from what I recall.

Shoe. · 03-22-2013, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

They need to be less predictable with ingram, dont run him on first down every time and get him involved in the screen game!

If I could've liked this comment five or six times I would've.

IMO a large part of Ingram's problems lay in his largely one-dimensional use in the past. First down, Ingram up the middle for 1-3 yards. Never much, but almost always moving forward.

Instead, get him a couple screen passes, a couple of dump-offs (although admittedly Sprolesy is much better in that area) and vary what the defense expects to see from him and I would imagine we see different production. Right now when he comes in the opposing defense stacks the box and he goes nowhere or, more often, they tie up our line and meet Ingram in the backfield. He can't run if there are no holes/space for him to utilize

halloween 65 · 03-22-2013, 03:15 PM

Ingram and Ivory would make a great tandam, both could be used to tighten the field to leave the D guessing, honestly I love Sproles but would trade him for picks in a heartbeat. Ingram, Ivory and PT could make for an excellent trio with Cadet in waiting.

Cruize · 03-22-2013, 03:19 PM

Brees needs to look for him in the passing game as well. I noticed SEVERAL times last year Ingram was WIDE open and Brees ALWAYS forced the ball downfield. Being intercepted several times. Yet, he ALWAYS looks to get the ball to Sproles when he's on the field. I personally would prefer a RB squad of Ingram, Ivory, Cadet and a UDFA pickup. Roles would be definded and the ridiculous one play in and out rotation of backs needs to be gone. I love Thomas and Sproles. They would be great on teams that used them properly and they deserve that. As it is, NONE of the Saints RB's are used properly. Ingram has the most upside. Ivory is a beast and playmaker. Cadet may have the best hands on the team and can play special teams. Dump the salaries of Thomas and Sproles, getting some late round picks in the process, and move forward.

TheOak · 03-22-2013, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Ingram and Ivory would make a great tandam, both could be used to tighten the field to leave the D guessing, honestly I love Sproles but would trade him for picks in a heartbeat. Ingram, Ivory and PT could make for an excellent trio with Cadet in waiting.

Seriously?

You would take on an entire season with Ingram and PT? Ivory is good for no more than 6 games, Cadet is very unproven... Ingram is a consistent 2.6 YPC...... If PT goes down your running game is tanked, and the defense knows who does what because you have no all purpose.

Gonna trade away Sproles of all people for draft picks so we can draft players that "may" start next season "if" they make the team....

No brother... I couldn't do it. That is a definite down grade.

Right now we are restructuring the defense.... You start swapping key players on the offense and you've jumped into full blown rebuilding.

03-22-2013, 02:19 PM	#21
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03-22-2013, 02:32 PM	#22
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by TheOak Excuses........... excuses......... Could we possibly think of more? I saw mostly reasons, not excuses.

03-22-2013, 02:34 PM	#23
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,085 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I was big on Ingram coming out of Alabama(Roll Tide). I've soured on him a bit. He has that taunting mentality and seems to be a bit of a thug. But mostly, he didn't run with passion until after Sproles broke his hand and Ingram was splitting carries with him. Ivory came out slamming the defenders. He was running hard and looking good. That was the game in my opinion when Ingram felt threatened and came out running like he was posessed. I don't know if we have to keep Ivory around to bolster Ingrams run game or not. But I am worried about how much heart he has. I really wanted him to be like Emmitt Smith. Humble and hard working. Payton knows how to motivate players so I'm hoping for big things from Ingram after coach watched him run last year while yelling at the TV. It did seem that when Ivory came in for plays it changed Ingrams desire. I can't prove that but it sure seemed like it. I do not see any thug in Ingram. Like Graham, I think that he can get emotional but I'm not seeing thug. And Emmitt Smith was NOT humble. Hard working maybe, but certainly not humble and he'll tell you that himself. He was just like Irvin. Obnoxious but pretty darn good football players. Many people with football knowledge picked Ingram to be the next Emmitt Smith but many people also pegged Reggie Bush to be the next Gale Sayers. My thinking is yes, Ingram needs more carries. Work the kid and let him get into a rhythm. And I hope that Payton lights him up at every chance he gets to make sure that he's ready to be the RB that the Saints traded up to get a couple of years ago. EDIT: I'm waffling now but if MI gets the majority of the carries this season that would mean less chances for PT to be on the field and Thomas is a better all-around back, in my opinion. Perhaps I'd just like to see Ingram wear teams out in the second half of games.
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03-22-2013, 02:41 PM	#24
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Originally Posted by Danno I saw mostly reasons, not excuses. "He doesn't play enough to play well"? If a prerequisite to more play is not good play, what is? We should just play a player more because...... "Going around blockers is not his style" I scratch my head in this one. Rell&Gold likes this.

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Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by TheOak "He doesn't play enough to play well"? If a prerequisite to more play is not good play, what is? We should just play a player more because...... "Going around blockers is not his style" I scratch my head in this one. You should have quoted those instead of the numerous valid reasons his stats aren't better. I'm not buying the more carries argument either. I think better blocking and less predictable plays would help him more than anything else. I don't view those as excuses.

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03-22-2013, 02:53 PM	#26
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Originally Posted by Danno You should have quoted those instead of the numerous valid reasons his stats aren't better. I'm not buying the more carries argument either. I think better blocking and less predictable plays would help him more than anything else. I don't view those as excuses. I did quote those. The only items I have addressed here are his not enough runs, and its a blocking scheme reason, from what I recall.

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Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by dizzle88 They need to be less predictable with ingram, dont run him on first down every time and get him involved in the screen game! If I could've liked this comment five or six times I would've. IMO a large part of Ingram's problems lay in his largely one-dimensional use in the past. First down, Ingram up the middle for 1-3 yards. Never much, but almost always moving forward. Instead, get him a couple screen passes, a couple of dump-offs (although admittedly Sprolesy is much better in that area) and vary what the defense expects to see from him and I would imagine we see different production. Right now when he comes in the opposing defense stacks the box and he goes nowhere or, more often, they tie up our line and meet Ingram in the backfield. He can't run if there are no holes/space for him to utilize

03-22-2013, 03:15 PM	#28
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Ingram and Ivory would make a great tandam, both could be used to tighten the field to leave the D guessing, honestly I love Sproles but would trade him for picks in a heartbeat. Ingram, Ivory and PT could make for an excellent trio with Cadet in waiting.

03-22-2013, 03:19 PM	#29
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,294	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Brees needs to look for him in the passing game as well. I noticed SEVERAL times last year Ingram was WIDE open and Brees ALWAYS forced the ball downfield. Being intercepted several times. Yet, he ALWAYS looks to get the ball to Sproles when he's on the field. I personally would prefer a RB squad of Ingram, Ivory, Cadet and a UDFA pickup. Roles would be definded and the ridiculous one play in and out rotation of backs needs to be gone. I love Thomas and Sproles. They would be great on teams that used them properly and they deserve that. As it is, NONE of the Saints RB's are used properly. Ingram has the most upside. Ivory is a beast and playmaker. Cadet may have the best hands on the team and can play special teams. Dump the salaries of Thomas and Sproles, getting some late round picks in the process, and move forward.
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03-22-2013, 03:22 PM	#30
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Originally Posted by halloween 65 Ingram and Ivory would make a great tandam, both could be used to tighten the field to leave the D guessing, honestly I love Sproles but would trade him for picks in a heartbeat. Ingram, Ivory and PT could make for an excellent trio with Cadet in waiting. Seriously? You would take on an entire season with Ingram and PT? Ivory is good for no more than 6 games, Cadet is very unproven... Ingram is a consistent 2.6 YPC...... If PT goes down your running game is tanked, and the defense knows who does what because you have no all purpose. Gonna trade away Sproles of all people for draft picks so we can draft players that "may" start next season "if" they make the team.... No brother... I couldn't do it. That is a definite down grade. Right now we are restructuring the defense.... You start swapping key players on the offense and you've jumped into full blown rebuilding.
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