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rmgoris11 03-22-2013 11:47 AM

Bryant McKinnie LT
 
"As in Ravens FA T Bryant McKinnie has received interest from the #Saints."

Larry Holder on twitter

Danno 03-22-2013 11:51 AM

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Well, he's a LT.

Beastmode 03-22-2013 12:07 PM

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No thanks, nothing but trouble. Can't believe the Saints would even consider it. Think we are getting desperate.

Leighton B 03-22-2013 12:18 PM

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YEA McKinney is and was a headache on the scale but when he's motivated he plays ok but for our screen game he wouldn't be that mobile to get up to 2nd level but if he comes cheap maybe Drew, Sean, and Saints can keep him motivated and effective!

lee909 03-22-2013 12:35 PM

He wouldn't be a bad option for the correct money.
It would only be a short term deal at his age and we can then move up next year and draft Mathews.

NEXTPROBOWLER 03-22-2013 12:35 PM

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for a cheap price and let him compete for the spot not give it to him.. sure why not, im sure teams aren't beating his door down, wont get signed til june

Rugby Saint II 03-22-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Leighton B (Post 489113)
YEA McKinney is and was a headache on the scale but when he's motivated he plays ok but for our screen game he wouldn't be that mobile to get up to 2nd level but if he comes cheap maybe Drew, Sean, and Saints can keep him motivated and effective!

Bushrods only asset was his down filed blocking.........if McKinney isn't mobile enough to get the job done down field then I wouldn't think Loomis and Payton would want him for anything other than a back up.
And if he's got some character issues then I don't see us taking a chance on a negative vibe in the locker room for a back up player.

iceshack149 03-22-2013 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 489112)
No thanks, nothing but trouble. Can't believe the Saints would even consider it. Think we are getting desperate.

The Saints are desperate. This proves it.

FinSaint 03-22-2013 03:39 PM

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Having watched him with the Vikes for many seasons, I really don't think that he'd be an asset for the Saints.

papz 03-22-2013 03:44 PM

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In his time with the Ravens last year, he actually played pretty well. The best he had in a couple of years.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nsive-tackles/

I mean... it's worth checking out.

FinSaint 03-22-2013 03:49 PM

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He was always a pylon type of a tackle with the Vikes - kind of the mirror image of Loadholt at the other end of the line - and if that is what the Saints are looking for then he might be a nice pick up.

hagan714 03-22-2013 03:56 PM

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right now all i care about is pass protection on drews blind side. if he can get it done then ok. it would not effect the draft one bit though

ChrisXVI 03-22-2013 04:39 PM

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I'm pretty sure Sean and Mickey have probably had a long meeting with Ben Grubbs about McKinnie seeing as how they played next to each other. If Grubbs gives him the thumbs up then I'm willing to trust that judgement.

papz 03-22-2013 05:34 PM

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They never played next to each other. But I'm sure they're doing their due diligence given McKinnie's history.

mikesaintfan 03-22-2013 05:42 PM

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stop gap....unless anyone thinks charles brown can do it

Danno 03-22-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesaintfan (Post 489201)
stop gap....unless anyone thinks charles brown can do it

Stop gap works for me right now.

triman 03-22-2013 06:36 PM

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Better than anyone on roster if fit and hungry.

NuNu318 03-22-2013 06:38 PM

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He held up well in the playoffs & SB.... i know that much......

ChrisXVI 03-22-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 489197)
They never played next to each other. But I'm sure they're doing their due diligence given McKinnie's history.

They were on the same team dude... Damn nitpicking.

triman 03-22-2013 06:54 PM

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It seems that there will be a lot of one year signings. The Teams aren't handing out big paychecks. There are a lot of vets not drawing any interest.Prices are dropping. I think that we have. made offers and said respectfully. Take it or Leave it.

SmashMouth 03-22-2013 07:13 PM

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Bryant McKinnie, Nnamdi Asomugha on Saints’ radar

Bryant McKinnie, Nnamdi Asomugha on Saints’ radar | ProFootballTalk

FWIW ...

papz 03-22-2013 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 489228)
They were on the same team dude... Damn nitpicking.

I wasn't trying to nitpick. I really didn't know they played together on the same team. I thought it was his first season there... it's my mistake.:dunce:

Come on, I'm not that petty.

Joker 03-22-2013 08:40 PM

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Damn, wanted Butler and McKinnie. McKinnie still has another year in him, he held up against that 49er defensive pass rush. Get McKinnie cheap and pay a little for a stud LB like Butler.

neugey 03-22-2013 10:49 PM

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Dang it seems like not that long ago McKinnie was holding out for the Vikings for his entire rookie season. Where does the time go?

amazin15 03-23-2013 12:31 AM

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hey guys I'm new to the board, I've been reading some of the post and I finally feel like I've found a place with true Who Dat fans. With that being said I think we should look into Sebastian Vollmer or Eric Winston..I'm not sold on McKinnie

Joker 03-23-2013 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by amazin15 (Post 489285)
hey guys I'm new to the board, I've been reading some of the post and I finally feel like I've found a place with true Who Dat fans. With that being said I think we should look into Sebastian Vollmer or Eric Winston..I'm not sold on McKinnie

No money, McKinnie is cheap ans defensive needs are mandatory. When you have the worst defense in the league you have to make changes.

FinSaint 03-23-2013 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 489287)
When you have the worst defense in the league you have to make changes.


...and you don't think there's already been quite a lot of changes with the defensive unit as a whole?

I'd certainly take either Vollmer or Winston over McKinnie, but I just don't know if the Saints' FO is really looking at filling the LT position with any of these guys mentioned.

ChrisXVI 03-23-2013 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 489254)
I wasn't trying to nitpick. I really didn't know they played together on the same team. I thought it was his first season there... it's my mistake.:dunce:

Come on, I'm not that petty.

Sorry dude, I was just being an ass LOL... It's all good man!

xan 03-23-2013 08:31 AM

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This FA market for the Saints is looking like a claiming race at the track. All the nags are lame and old but you're betting that one just might have one last race in them.

We are desperate. Bring in 50 rookies. Better shot green than withered.

CheramieIII 03-23-2013 08:35 AM

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Both will end up in New Orleans. BM is a left tackle and maybe coach thinks he can get him to really play for a year or 2. Is he better than Bushrod, probably so.

Joker 03-23-2013 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 489306)
...and you don't think there's already been quite a lot of changes with the defensive unit as a whole?

I'd certainly take either Vollmer or Winston over McKinnie, but I just don't know if the Saints' FO is really looking at filling the LT position with any of these guys mentioned.

Really, they made a bunch of changes by signing 1 CB and 1 LB, other than that that's the only changes that have been made. I forgot restructured a few washed up veterans big undeserving contracts. Rob still needs pass rushers, I don't care how many corners they sign.

You don't think the Saints wouldn't take either of those two guys for a LT, who's the one player on the saints team that the team goes as he goes ? Yea you're right, Drew Brees. So,lets depend on a rookie to protect his blindside. If they could afford either of those two guys and plug a few more holes on defense they would be all over Vollmer.

Danno 03-23-2013 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 489320)
This FA market for the Saints is looking like a claiming race at the track. All the nags are lame and old but you're betting that one just might have one last race in them.

We are desperate. Bring in 50 rookies. Better shot green than withered.

Nothing wrong with an experienced stop-gap on the cheap. It worked out very well with Sharper.

The only aging guys we're serious about are Nnamdi and maybe this McKinnie LT, which we desperately need.

And the only reason we're interested in Nnamdi is because of ties to Ryan.

Joker 03-23-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 489320)
This FA market for the Saints is looking like a claiming race at the track. All the nags are lame and old but you're betting that one just might have one last race in them.

We are desperate. Bring in 50 rookies. Better shot green than withered.

Lets see a rookie LT get the 100 million dollar QB killed and the season as well.

FinSaint 03-23-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 489325)
Really, they made a bunch of changes by signing 1 CB and 1 LB, other than that that's the only changes that have been made. I forgot restructured a few washed up veterans big undeserving contracts. Rob still needs pass rushers, I don't care how many corners they sign.


How about changing their defensive coordinator?

How about changing from a base 4-3 defense to a 3-4 base defense?

How about finally seeing waste of space and cap players like Ellis depart?



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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 489325)
You don't think the Saints wouldn't take either of those two guys for a LT, who's the one player on the saints team that the team goes as he goes ? Yea you're right, Drew Brees. So,lets depend on a rookie to protect his blindside. If they could afford either of those two guys and plug a few more holes on defense they would be all over Vollmer.


When did I ever state that I thought that the Saints wouldn't take any and all of those OTs mentioned if they could afford them and fit them on the active roster?

I merely stated that I don't know what the Saints' FO's plans are for replacing Bushrod as the LT, and I think that's probably true for 99% of the posters here - accounting for the slight chance that some FO members are trolling around on these boards. ;-)

Joker 03-23-2013 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 489335)
How about changing their defensive coordinator?

How about changing from a base 4-3 defense to a 3-4 base defense?

How about finally seeing waste of space and cap players like Ellis depart?






When did I ever state that I thought that the Saints wouldn't take any and all of those OTs mentioned if they could afford them and fit them on the active roster?

I merely stated that I don't know what the Saints' FO's plans are for replacing Bushrod as the LT, and I think that's probably true for 99% of the posters here - accounting for the slight chance that some FO members are trolling around on these boards. ;-)

Sedric Ellis is a Free Agent contract over, no need to sign him, I did mention Rob Ryan but that's not changing personnell.

ChrisXVI 03-23-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 489333)
Lets see a rookie LT get the 100 million dollar QB killed and the season as well.

Dude, Bushrod was terrible! You know how we always say that the LT and RT positions aren't that important to the Saints because we invest heavily in the interior of the O Line? Well that logic sprung out of having sub-par tackles and Drew having phenomenal pocket awareness and it hasn't exactly hurt the team so far. Drew has only broken every QB record. We'll plug someone in at LT whomever it happens to be and we'll be fine!

Joker 03-23-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 489338)
Dude, Bushrod was terrible! You know how we always say that the LT and RT positions aren't that important to the Saints because we invest heavily in the interior of the O Line? Well that logic sprung out of having sub-par tackles and Drew having phenomenal pocket awareness and it hasn't exactly hurt the team so far. Drew has only broken every QB record. We'll plug someone in at LT whomever it happens to be and we'll be fine!

That's why Chicago chose him over all the other LT out there including Long. I hope we don't find out just how good Bushrod was over what's left on the roster. I agree he wasn't an elite LT and needed help against good DE but he was serviceable

ChrisXVI 03-23-2013 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 489339)
That's why Chicago chose him over all the other LT out there including Long. I hope we don't find out just how good Bushrod was over what's left on the roster. I agree he wasn't an elite LT and needed help against good DE but he was serviceable

Yeah because Chicago has made such wonderful decisions regarding their O-Line LOL. Cutler could fill you in on that! Here's a good review of the Bears signing Bushrod...

Bears sign OT Jermon Bushrod (5 years, $36M; $17.7M guaranteed): Z- Grade
I can't take this signing seriously, so I'm not grading it seriously either. The fact that the Bears think they're actually upgrading J'Marcus Webb at left tackle by obtaining Jermon Bushrod is an absolute joke. In fact, I really don't think the front office has watched a second of Bushrod's tape.

Bushrod allowed tons of pressures every week. The reason his sack total was so low was because Drew Brees released the ball so quickly. Bushrod's sack numbers will increase exponentially as he's trying to block for Jay Cutler. That means Cutler will likely miss multiple games due to injury yet again. The Bears would be better off with Webb manning the blind-side position again. I find it so ridiculous that an NFL front office would pay so much money to a pedestrian player.

FinSaint 03-23-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 489337)
Sedric Ellis is a Free Agent contract over, no need to sign him, I did mention Rob Ryan but that's not changing personnell.


I know Ellis is an UFA and that is why I never said anything about signing him... just that it's good to see someone like him who has underperformed for many years at an important defensive position depart from the team when his contract is up and not see the team re-sign him for some curious reason:

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 489335)
How about finally seeing waste of space and cap players like Ellis depart?


And about the defensive changes... what I stated originally was:

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 489306)
...and you don't think there's already been quite a lot of changes with the defensive unit as a whole?


I never claimed that the defensive changes were all to the personnel, but to the defensive unit as a whole, which IMO includes the defensive coordinator running things and the main scheme he uses to utilize the players at hand. Making this conversation about the personnel changes was all about you steering it that way or a misunderstanding on both of our parts on what the other one was talking about.

ChrisXVI 03-23-2013 09:53 AM

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I'm starting to think that Joker is just that... a joke account that just bashes everything the Saints are doing.


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