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WhoDat!656 03-27-2013 05:14 PM

New Orleans Saints Starting Left Tackle Vacancy Becoming an Issue
 
The New Orleans Saints have arguably the best offense in the NFL and it is because they have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. However, the Saints’ offensive line took a hit this summer when the team lost starting left tackle, Jermon Bushrod, to the Chicago Bears. The Saints were not willing to pay Bushrod the contract he desired so they let him walk.

At first it seemed like the Saints would be able to overcome Bushrod’s departure, but even in the early stages of the offseason it is becoming apparent that the left tackle position is becoming a concern. Saints head coach Sean Payton said as much when asked about the left tackle position, “I look at that spot like there’s a magnet with no name on it…Gray, it’s just gray.”

If the season started today Charles Brown would be the Saints starting left tackle, but there does not seem to be that much confidence in Brown. Payton is concerned with Brown’s inability to stay healthy, and although Brown filled in nicely when Zach Strief went down with an injury, he did suffer a season-ending injury.

Brown does not seem to be the answer for the Saints, but as of right now he is really all they have. The team could look to free agency, but with only about $1.85 million in cap space a viable left tackle will not be available. Making a trade for a left tackle is another route to go, but that does not seem likely for the Saints.

The way I see it, the Saints have one of two choices. One, insert Brown as the starting left tackle and hope he works out, or two, use one of their draft picks to bring in an offensive tackle that could possibly start right away. The Saints have the 15th overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft, and if the left tackle position is still an issue by then the team should strongly consider using their top pick to draft an offensive lineman.

This year’s draft class is not very deep at offensive tackle, but with the 15th pick the Saints could get their starting left tackle. Only time will tell what the Saints decide to do about the left tackle position, but I am sure they will figure it out.

The Saints’ defense is probably their biggest issue, but the lack of a starting left tackle could become another big issue for the Saints.

New Orleans Saints Should be Concerned with Left Tackle Vacancy

Danno 03-27-2013 05:28 PM

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Brown, Strief, Harris and Jones...

I'm thinking pick 15 is an O-lineman.

Beastmode 03-27-2013 05:36 PM

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I hope we trade down. It's getting to where there isn't much separation anymore between the first few rounds, especially picking at 15.

Seer1 03-27-2013 05:51 PM

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Let's remember to breathe here. There are hours left before the season starts. I'd say our biggest hit as far as the O-Line goes is the loss of Kroemer, not Bushrod.

ChrisXVI 03-27-2013 06:14 PM

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We took absolutely no hit at all by losing Bushrod. God I hate when losing him is looked at as some kind of devestating blow to our offense. Bushrod is mediocre at best... Stop freaking out folks.

Boutte 03-27-2013 06:23 PM

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I think he was better than mediocre. Certainly not elite by any means but solid.

Hoefully we have some hidden gem stashed away somewhere on the roster because I have no confidence in Brown.

RockyMountainSaint 03-27-2013 07:25 PM

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How can something that has not happened be an issue?

We have very little to go on when it comes to who our L Tackle will be on opening day.

The team just paid Drew hella money so I assume they will protect the investment.

I am going to remain patient.

Luke Joeckel Eric Fisher Lane Johnson

If these guys are gone? I expect to hear a trade down at 15.

Seer1 03-27-2013 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 490401)
How can something that has not happened be an issue?

We have very little to go on when it comes to who our L Tackle will be on opening day.

The team just paid Drew hella money so I assume they will protect the investment.

I am going to remain patient.

Luke Joeckel Eric Fisher Lane Johnson

If these guys are gone? I expect to hear a trade down at 15.

Yeah, I'd think a couple of draft picks would be better for us than a top 15 OT.

Danno 03-27-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 490387)
We took absolutely no hit at all by losing Bushrod. God I hate when losing him is looked at as some kind of devestating blow to our offense. Bushrod is mediocre at best... Stop freaking out folks.

Bushrod was an average to slightly above average LT.

The problem isn't that we lost a B-minus OT, the problem is we don't have a B-minus replacement on the roster and a B-minus LT is probably 4 to 6 million per season. We currently have 3 million.

Joker 03-27-2013 08:06 PM

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Charles Brown 630,000
Marcel Jones 537,000
Bryce Harris 480,000

Pickings looking pretty slim to protect a 100 million dollar QB!!!!!!
Drafting a LT at 15 would be worse than trying someone that's already on the roster. Like I said on previous threads a LT should be more of a concern than some soft CB, will mention no names. Hopefully Charles Brown will surprise everyone this year but for insurance I believe McKinnie is still out there, yea I know he's about 195 years old but I can't think of anyone else.

Torfino 03-27-2013 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 490416)
Charles Brown 630,000
Marcel Jones 537,000
Bryce Harris 480,000

Pickings looking pretty slim to protect a 100 million dollar QB!!!!!!
Drafting a LT at 15 would be worse than trying someone that's already on the roster. Like I said on previous threads a LT should be more of a concern than some soft CB, will mention no names. Hopefully Charles Brown will surprise everyone this year but for insurance I believe McKinnie is still out there, yea I know he's about 195 years old but I can't think of anyone else.

I hope we DON'T use #15 on a tackle - I hope we pick someone for the defense 4 out of the 5 picks or we trade down and get more picks and still only pick OT in the 3rd or 4th. Bushrod, Nicks, Evans, DeLaPuente - what do they all have in common? Mid-round or small school gems. Trust them to pick someone when they need to who fits their formula, not who or when the pundits think we should.

Besides, if we get a good OL who will be high-paid we always let them walk, so we're renting them 3 or 4 years at best. I joke with my friends that we are an OL factory for the NFL. But if we pick a really good DB or LB/DE we will make them Saints for life. So I hope we spend it on a Trufant, Mingo, or a Vaccaro, who will lock down a spot for the next 8-10 years.

Rugby Saint II 03-27-2013 08:32 PM

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:saintsfan:
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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 490388)
I think he was better than mediocre. Certainly not elite by any means but solid.

Hoefully we have some hidden gem stashed away somewhere on the roster because I have no confidence in Brown.

Apparently neither does Payton! :saintsfan:

jeanpierre 03-27-2013 08:35 PM

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This draft is plenty deep at Offensive Tackle...

Round 1
OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M, 6-6/306
OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan, 6-7/306
OT Lane Johnson, Oklahoma, 6-6/303
OT D.J. Fluker, Alabama, 6-5/339

Round 2
OT Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, 6-5/306
OT Kyle Long, Oregon, 6-6/313
OT Menelik Watson, Florida State, 6-5/310
OT Dallas Thomas, Tennessee r, 6-5/306

Round 3
OT David Bakhtiari, Colorado, 6-4/299
OT Oday Aboushi, Virginia, 6-5/308
OT Chris Faulk (Injured), LSU, 6-5/331

Round 4
OT Jordan Mills, Louisiana Tech, 6-5/316
OT David Quessenberry, San Jose State, 6-5/302
OT Xavier Nixon, Florida, 6-6/321

Round 5
OT Brennan Williams (Injured), North Carolina, 6-6/318
OT Reid Fragel, Ohio State, 6-8/308
OT Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin, 6-6/308

Not to mention...

Round 2
OL Barrett Jones (Injured), Bama, 6-4/306

As a Junior, Jones moved to Left Tackle, started all 13 games and won the Outland Trophy for Best College Lineman for the National Championship Crimson Tide...

As a Senior, he THEN moved to Center, started all games and won the Rimington Trophy for Best College Center for the Repeat National Championship Crimson Tide playing with a Lisfranc fracture he developed in the SEC Championship game and played through against ND in the BCS...

Gentleman, this man must be brought into the Black and Gold and if not, well, we're not going to stand here while those that disagree bad mouth the United States of America!


AllSaints 03-27-2013 09:10 PM

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LT pretty important protects qb blind side..... But no way they go LT at 15 ... We need a pass rusher ! Like something terrible ! We haven't got to the qb since 09 ! C'mon mannnn

arsaint 03-27-2013 09:38 PM

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We need someone with experience. A rookie LT sounds scary.

Seer1 03-27-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by arsaint (Post 490427)
We need someone with experience. A rookie LT sounds scary.

I'm thinking not having Kroemer is much scarier.

FinSaint 03-27-2013 10:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joker (Post 490416)
Hopefully Charles Brown will surprise everyone this year but for insurance I believe McKinnie is still out there, yea I know he's about 195 years old but I can't think of anyone else.


IMO, it's not as much about McKinnie's age than it is about his immobility on the field, and that is something he struggled with his whole career with the Vikes, so the age is secondary - his skill set not being a fit is primary.

RockyMountainSaint 03-28-2013 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 490434)
I'm thinking not having Kroemer is much scarier.

I'm with Seer1.

No Kroemer makes the revolving door scary.

FinSaint 03-28-2013 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 490457)
I'm with Seer1.

No Kroemer makes the revolving door scary.


Yeah, it might seem that way, but who knows? Maybe Bret Ingalls can be an even better O-line coach than what Kromer was..?

It's all possible at this point. Anyway, the Saints' website states on his profile that Ingalls has "extensive experience tutoring offensive linemen", whatever that means.

New Orleans Saints: Bret Ingalls

hagan714 03-28-2013 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 490462)
"extensive experience tutoring offensive linemen", whatever that means.

pacifier for fans till we see if this blows up or not

FinSaint 03-28-2013 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 490464)
pacifier for fans till we see if this blows up or not


Quote:

Ingalls served on the staff at Northwestern from 2006-08, where he was running game coordinator/offensive line coach his final season. He molded a line without extensive starting experience into the cornerstone of an offense that led the Wildcats to a nine-win season. Northwestern rushed for over 1,800 yards and ranked second in the Big Ten for fewest sacks allowed. In 2007, the offensive line blocked for the Big Ten’s top-ranked passing attack, and in 2006 led the way for 1,705 yards rushing.

Ingalls spent 2005 at Miami (Ohio), working with the tight ends and tackles, and spent the previous season with Indiana State. From 2000-03, he was the offensive coordinator at his alma mater, the University of Idaho, where he also tutored the quarterbacks and running backs for two seasons each.

From 1997-99, Ingalls served as offensive coordinator/offensive line coach at Northern Iowa and he held similar positions at Louisville from 1995-96. In 1994, he coached the offensive line at Eastern Michigan.

Ingalls held several positions on the offensive side of the ball at San Diego State from 1989-93. Over those years, he had stints as offensive coordinator (1992-93), offensive line coach (1990-92) and running backs coach (1989, 1993). While running backs coach, he tutored future Pro Football Hall of Fame selection Marshall Faulk, who twice led the nation in rushing.

Ingalls' coaching career began at Idaho, where he graduated in 1984. After serving as a student defensive backs coach, he was assistant offensive line coach from 1984-85 and running backs coach from 1986-88. Idaho won four Big Sky Conference championships during his tenure.

I does seem like he does have experience in being the O-line coach and developing/teaching offensive linemen, so here's to hoping he can fill the shoes left behind by Kromer.

hagan714 03-28-2013 05:23 AM

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not bad at all some wide open offenses listed in there. plus more than one good OL came out of those schools too

well worth watching

Seer1 03-28-2013 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 490462)
Yeah, it might seem that way, but who knows? Maybe Bret Ingalls can be an even better O-line coach than what Kromer was..?

It's all possible at this point. Anyway, the Saints' website states on his profile that Ingalls has "extensive experience tutoring offensive linemen", whatever that means.

New Orleans Saints: Bret Ingalls

Fingers crossed...

jeanpierre 03-28-2013 07:39 AM

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There's a guy named Sean Payton that should make the transition smoother...

Remember, Condon and Brees asked for so much as to not allow for his protection...

Bought a Lamborghini and nothing left for a garage...

FinSaint 03-28-2013 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 490492)
There's a guy named Sean Payton that should make the transition smoother...

Remember, Condon and Brees asked for so much as to not allow for his protection...

Bought a Lamborghini and had nothing left for the insurance...


I fixed it for you! ;-)

TheOak 03-28-2013 08:56 AM

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I would rather have a Lamborghini and no garage, than a Pinto parked in the Taj Mahal .

SaintsBro 03-28-2013 10:32 AM

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Ingalls has that Illinois thing that Payton likes...plus Northwestern is a really under-rated sleeper program. They had that bad reputation for a long time, of being the really losing team, the biggest losing streak in history and all that -- that's all in the past now but they still get overlooked in people's minds. Looks like this guy was a big part of their improvement.


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