Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract

03-29-2013, 05:21 AM

Depending on the numbers, this was a good signing because he is young, has been playing/learning behind the likes of DeMarcus Ware, and is familiar with Rob Ryan and his defensive scheme.

Since it's only a 2-year contract with conditions that could void the second year all together - there's very little risk involved with this signing.

And the Saints will probably pick another OLB from the draft if a suitable candidate falls to or is available to them at the right time.

papz · 03-29-2013, 07:50 AM

“The chance to come in and compete is all I wanted in this free agency opportunity,” said Butler. “After sitting down and talking with everybody, I felt like my best chance to compete and be a part of a winning team was in New Orleans.”

Victor Butler: "All I Want is a Chance to Compete"

73Saint · 03-29-2013, 09:51 AM

After listening to him speak w/ Deke and Bobby last night, I am even more excited. Guy is very articulate. Makes me so proud to be a Saints fan these days, when sought out free agents make a 3 or 4 team tour, and wind up choosing the Saints...says a lot about where Mickey and Sean have taken our franchise!

hagan714 · 03-29-2013, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

Are you high?

not yet

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

Butler is our answer to OLB? Has to compete with Galette??? Wtf

Butler is a solid gamble. He is an up abd coming OLB that has proven his worth in a 34. Galette is a complete unknown in a 34. As it was in a 43 his run defense was so so at best and i have no idea if he can pass defend. Besides its a great youth move for the defense that will be retiring players in the next couple of years.

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

Undersized ???

proved he can play in 34 at OLB the question to be answered is can he make the next step as a full time starter. if not he already excels coming off the bench. thats why i think he signed only a two year deal here to get his shot at starting. safe for the saints and him

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

This should have been some bigger and badder. Not liking this selection - I hope I'm wrong next season.

cap handcuffs are on pretty tight

burningmetal · 03-29-2013, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by nycsaintfan

We won't have a shot at Ansah. Vaccaro should be there at 15, unless someone with a need at safety decides to trade up before our pick. However, everything that I've heard on Jarvis Jones is that his name is sliding. Unless your like me and value production, and of course what the tape showed you, then he would be a steal of a pick at 15 or lower. He sliding because of a bad pro day. But I don't need Jones to run a 4.4 40-yard dash on the field, all he needs to do is get to the quarter back. It looks like he did that more than enough in his college career.

Being that Butler is in the fold now I'm not sure the Saints would make him a priority pick in the first round. But if we were to trade down and he was there, it would be hard not to take him.

Honestly, a part of me would love to see the Saints take Tavon Austin with that pick at 15. I know we don't have a true need for another playmaker. But with all of the weapons we do have, he would make us even more difficult to defend.

I don't think we have no shot with Ansah. There are mixed opinions on how high he'll go because of his lack of experience, though is talent is off the charts. But there is a good chance he doesn't make it to us, which is why I say IF he falls to us.

I completely agree with your take on Jarvis Jones, though. I've been saying those things about him since I first heard about his pro day. The guy dominated every team he played in the most dominant conference in America.

I know he played on the other side of the ball, but I'm going to use this example anyway. Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 at his pro day, or whatever they called it back then. As we know, he went on to be the best receiver of all time.

On a more recent note, Terrell Suggs was said to have a similar pro day. He turned out alright. I'm pretty sure Jones can run faster than what his workout suggested, but as long as he produces it really doesn't matter to me. There are a lot of fast players who have no idea how to produce. You gotta be strong, smart, quick and have no wasted motion. Those things allow you to be precise in your route to the QB or in getting open, or in getting through the hole if you're a running back. Apparently Jarvis does a lot of things well to put up the numbers he has.

I thought about if the signing of Butler changes the plans. I do think it will deter the Saints from taking a LB at 15 UNLESS it's Jones. He's too good, and would fit the system perfectly. Butler should help us, but he doesn't have near the high ceiling that Jones has, IMO. We're talking about a guy who could potentially put up 20 sack seasons. We shall see though. I feel a lot better about our options with the additions we've made.

papz · 03-29-2013, 01:39 PM

I don't think the signing of an unproven Butler on a 2 year contract will deter us from selecting a linebacker if he's the BPA on our board. However, the signing definitely opens up the possibilities with what we can do with the draft pick. Whether it's taking a LT, trading down, or whatever else situation that may present itself... something I wasn't as open into doing prior to filling two positions of need via free agency.

burningmetal · 03-29-2013, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I don't think the signing of an unproven Butler on a 2 year contract will deter us from selecting a linebacker if he's the BPA on our board. However, the signing definitely opens up the possibilities with what we can do with the draft pick. Whether it's taking a LT, trading down, or whatever else situation that may present itself... something I wasn't as open into doing prior to filling two positions of need via free agency.

Agreed. This is why I don't think any linebacker but Jones would be selected. I gotta think that if he's gone the best player available will not be any of the other linebackers. They could stand to go a number of different ways. Obviously I could be wrong, but I'd rather have an OT or Safety than to have someone like Mingo. I like Mingo's athleticism, but he's too unpolished when we have other needs, in my opinion.

I don't see Ansah as a linebacker. But it seems he's being viewed that way by some. So I guess I should consider him as the one other linebacker possibility.

voodooido · 03-29-2013, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

If we had a 2nd rounder and we don't pick an OT in the first, then he'd be a solid choice. He would be a massive reach at #15, though. It would most likely be Lane Johnson if we pick a tackle first. I'm really not that high on any of the tackles who will be available when we pick, to be honest. But Johnson seems to be the best of them.

I still like Ansah and Vaccaro, if either of them drops to us. I doubt we'll have a shot at Jarvis Jones, otherwise I'd put him in there too.

I agree Johnson would be the better pick. I doubt he will be there though. I have seen many mocks having him go in the top 12 every time. And I think the only reason Luker would go as late as early rd2 is because of the depth in this years draft at OT.

SaintKiller · 03-30-2013, 05:46 PM

Great pick up for you guys.

Joker · 03-30-2013, 07:12 PM

With all the defensive signings in free agency, IMO they draft an offensive player

03-29-2013, 05:21 AM	#61
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03-29-2013, 07:50 AM	#62
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Re: Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract “The chance to come in and compete is all I wanted in this free agency opportunity,” said Butler. “After sitting down and talking with everybody, I felt like my best chance to compete and be a part of a winning team was in New Orleans.” Victor Butler: "All I Want is a Chance to Compete" RockyMountainSaint, hagan714 and alexonfyre like this.

03-29-2013, 09:51 AM	#63
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract After listening to him speak w/ Deke and Bobby last night, I am even more excited. Guy is very articulate. Makes me so proud to be a Saints fan these days, when sought out free agents make a 3 or 4 team tour, and wind up choosing the Saints...says a lot about where Mickey and Sean have taken our franchise! RockyMountainSaint, Crusader, hagan714 and 2 others like this.

03-29-2013, 10:13 AM	#64
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract Originally Posted by westbankdaze Are you high? not yet Originally Posted by westbankdaze Butler is our answer to OLB? Has to compete with Galette??? Wtf Butler is a solid gamble. He is an up abd coming OLB that has proven his worth in a 34. Galette is a complete unknown in a 34. As it was in a 43 his run defense was so so at best and i have no idea if he can pass defend. Besides its a great youth move for the defense that will be retiring players in the next couple of years. Originally Posted by westbankdaze Undersized ??? proved he can play in 34 at OLB the question to be answered is can he make the next step as a full time starter. if not he already excels coming off the bench. thats why i think he signed only a two year deal here to get his shot at starting. safe for the saints and him Originally Posted by westbankdaze This should have been some bigger and badder. Not liking this selection - I hope I'm wrong next season. cap handcuffs are on pretty tight RockyMountainSaint likes this.
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03-29-2013, 01:24 PM	#65
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract Originally Posted by nycsaintfan We won't have a shot at Ansah. Vaccaro should be there at 15, unless someone with a need at safety decides to trade up before our pick. However, everything that I've heard on Jarvis Jones is that his name is sliding. Unless your like me and value production, and of course what the tape showed you, then he would be a steal of a pick at 15 or lower. He sliding because of a bad pro day. But I don't need Jones to run a 4.4 40-yard dash on the field, all he needs to do is get to the quarter back. It looks like he did that more than enough in his college career. Being that Butler is in the fold now I'm not sure the Saints would make him a priority pick in the first round. But if we were to trade down and he was there, it would be hard not to take him. Honestly, a part of me would love to see the Saints take Tavon Austin with that pick at 15. I know we don't have a true need for another playmaker. But with all of the weapons we do have, he would make us even more difficult to defend. I don't think we have no shot with Ansah. There are mixed opinions on how high he'll go because of his lack of experience, though is talent is off the charts. But there is a good chance he doesn't make it to us, which is why I say IF he falls to us. I completely agree with your take on Jarvis Jones, though. I've been saying those things about him since I first heard about his pro day. The guy dominated every team he played in the most dominant conference in America. I know he played on the other side of the ball, but I'm going to use this example anyway. Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 at his pro day, or whatever they called it back then. As we know, he went on to be the best receiver of all time. On a more recent note, Terrell Suggs was said to have a similar pro day. He turned out alright. I'm pretty sure Jones can run faster than what his workout suggested, but as long as he produces it really doesn't matter to me. There are a lot of fast players who have no idea how to produce. You gotta be strong, smart, quick and have no wasted motion. Those things allow you to be precise in your route to the QB or in getting open, or in getting through the hole if you're a running back. Apparently Jarvis does a lot of things well to put up the numbers he has. I thought about if the signing of Butler changes the plans. I do think it will deter the Saints from taking a LB at 15 UNLESS it's Jones. He's too good, and would fit the system perfectly. Butler should help us, but he doesn't have near the high ceiling that Jones has, IMO. We're talking about a guy who could potentially put up 20 sack seasons. We shall see though. I feel a lot better about our options with the additions we've made.
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03-29-2013, 01:39 PM	#66
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Re: Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract I don't think the signing of an unproven Butler on a 2 year contract will deter us from selecting a linebacker if he's the BPA on our board. However, the signing definitely opens up the possibilities with what we can do with the draft pick. Whether it's taking a LT, trading down, or whatever else situation that may present itself... something I wasn't as open into doing prior to filling two positions of need via free agency.

03-29-2013, 03:10 PM	#67
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract Originally Posted by papz I don't think the signing of an unproven Butler on a 2 year contract will deter us from selecting a linebacker if he's the BPA on our board. However, the signing definitely opens up the possibilities with what we can do with the draft pick. Whether it's taking a LT, trading down, or whatever else situation that may present itself... something I wasn't as open into doing prior to filling two positions of need via free agency. Agreed. This is why I don't think any linebacker but Jones would be selected. I gotta think that if he's gone the best player available will not be any of the other linebackers. They could stand to go a number of different ways. Obviously I could be wrong, but I'd rather have an OT or Safety than to have someone like Mingo. I like Mingo's athleticism, but he's too unpolished when we have other needs, in my opinion. I don't see Ansah as a linebacker. But it seems he's being viewed that way by some. So I guess I should consider him as the one other linebacker possibility.
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03-29-2013, 04:37 PM	#68
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,739	Re: Victor Butler, New Orleans Saints agree to contract Originally Posted by burningmetal If we had a 2nd rounder and we don't pick an OT in the first, then he'd be a solid choice. He would be a massive reach at #15, though. It would most likely be Lane Johnson if we pick a tackle first. I'm really not that high on any of the tackles who will be available when we pick, to be honest. But Johnson seems to be the best of them. I still like Ansah and Vaccaro, if either of them drops to us. I doubt we'll have a shot at Jarvis Jones, otherwise I'd put him in there too. I agree Johnson would be the better pick. I doubt he will be there though. I have seen many mocks having him go in the top 12 every time. And I think the only reason Luker would go as late as early rd2 is because of the depth in this years draft at OT.
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