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alleycat_126 03-29-2013 01:37 PM

Time to trade for your Left Tackle.......
 
Fisher: No contact with Saffold since Long signing : Sports

Still could be had..... Mickey get this handled!!!!!

papz 03-29-2013 01:48 PM

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I'm not sure a high price LT is feasible nor do I want to lose a high draft pick. I rather take a chance of a Lane Johnson(or whoever) and keep him for multiple years at a cheap rate then splurge on a LT. That's just me though. I don't feel we need to have a elite guy there... just someone that's good enough.

zoltar26 03-29-2013 01:59 PM

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Just watched some film on Dallas Thomas out of Tennessee. If we can snag a 2nd round he could be worth picking up..Started 2 years at LT and one a G so he brings versatility

stickman 03-29-2013 02:01 PM

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Depends on what they want for him. Would free up options in the draft.

NinthWardJay 03-29-2013 02:01 PM

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We have a running back and a safety that they can have!!

alleycat_126 03-29-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 490841)
I'm not sure a high price LT is feasible nor do I want to lose a high draft pick. I rather take a chance of a Lane Johnson(or whoever) and keep him for multiple years at a cheap rate then splurge on a LT. That's just me though. I don't feel we need to have a elite guy there... just someone that's good enough.

I'll point this out again, the top three tackles Jockel,Fisher, Johnson won't make it past 11. That leaves D.J. Fluker....who I wouldn't pick as high as 15 when there are talented tackles in that later rounds.

Saffold is not a high priced LT, he's in the final year of his rookie deal....ivory for Saffold gives them something for the pick they have invested 3 years in and gives them some backfield help for isiah pead, for us 2 million off the books and a LT for a year at rookie salary, if he's good you give him under what you would have given Bushrod, if not you can start looking at jake Matthews.

papz 03-29-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 490847)
I'll point this out again, the top three tackles Jockel,Fisher, Johnson won't make it past 11. That leaves D.J. Fluker....who I wouldn't pick as high as 15 when there are talented tackles in that later rounds.

Saffold is not a high priced LT, he's in the final year of his rookie deal....ivory for Saffold gives them something for the pick they have invested 3 years in and gives them some backfield help for isiah pead, for us 2 million off the books and a LT for a year at rookie salary, if he's good you give him under what you would have given Bushrod, if not you can start looking at jake Matthews.

We know Joeckel and Fisher won't be there. Johnson on the other hand could very well be there at 15. Regardless if he's there or not, it doesn't change my train of thought. If we took someone in the 3rd or 4th and felt he could do the job, I'd be okay with it... I'm not stuck on it having to be one of the top 3 tackles.

While Saffold isn't getting paid right now, he will be. If we're trading a high draft pick for Saffold, it's not something we should be looking at short sighted. It's going to cost a lot to re-sign him. Otherwise it would be senseless to trade a high draft pick for him if our intentions was to keep him for only one year. It would also be senseless to take a wait and see approach on a contract situation as you've pointed out. If he doesn't work out and we cut our losses, we're back at square one and still wasted a draft pick... a high one at that.

The idea of Ivory for Saffold is also unrealistic... very unrealistic. Extremely unrealistic. Brittle backup running back for a starting left tackle. I'm sure I don't have to go any further with that.

Don't get me wrong though... I wouldn't be disappointed if we made a move for him at all. I just don't think we need to especially if it's going to cost us a draft pick or two that coincides with his ability.

The Dude 03-29-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 490841)
I'm not sure a high price LT is feasible nor do I want to lose a high draft pick. I rather take a chance of a Lane Johnson(or whoever) and keep him for multiple years at a cheap rate then splurge on a LT. That's just me though. I don't feel we need to have a elite guy there... just someone that's good enough.

I agree. We don't need a super star at LT, just a guy who can get the job done. In our system our guards are more important in protection than our tackles. Bring in someone solid and thats all we need. Money can be used in other areas.

alleycat_126 03-29-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 490856)
We know Joeckel and Fisher won't be there. Johnson on the other hand could very well be there at 15. Regardless if he's there or not, it doesn't change my train of thought. If we took someone in the 3rd or 4th and felt he could do the job, I'd be okay with it... I'm not stuck on it having to be one of the top 3 tackles.

While Saffold isn't getting paid right now, he will be. If we're trading a high draft pick for Saffold, it's not something we should be looking at short sighted. It's going to cost a lot to re-sign him. Otherwise it would be senseless to trade a high draft pick for him if our intentions was to keep him for only one year. It would also be senseless to take a wait and see approach on a contract situation as you've pointed out. If he doesn't work out and we cut our losses, we're back at square one and still wasted a draft pick... a high one at that.

The idea of Ivory for Saffold is also unrealistic... very unrealistic. Extremely unrealistic. Brittle backup running back for a starting left tackle. I'm sure I don't have to go any further with that.

Don't get me wrong though... I wouldn't be disappointed if we made a move for him at all. I just don't think we need to especially if it's going to cost us a draft pick or two that coincides with his ability.

We are not in a position to trade draft picks away, not even for Brandon Albert. That thought never entered my mind. We do however have a boatload of running backs and since the SJ release that is not their strong suit. ingram/or Ivory for Saffold has plenty of merit, yes Saffold is a starting left tackle, but he is a disgruntled starting LT who will if he doesn't demand a trade, will bolt once the opportunity presents itself leaving the rams with nothing for there investment. Why not get something now rather than wait on him to leave with no compensation.

Danno 03-29-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 490857)
I agree. We don't need a super star at LT, just a guy who can get the job done. In our system our guards are more important in protection than our tackles. Bring in someone solid and thats all we need. Money can be used in other areas.

Unfortunately just a decent LT will be 4-6 million per year.

Bushrod was slightly above average and got 7 million/year.

A mid 1st round draft pick will get a 4 year contract about 2 million/year.

If Lane Johnson is there at 15 (which I doubt, but its possible), we'd be fools not to draft him.

hagan714 03-29-2013 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 490896)
We are not in a position to trade draft picks away, not even for Brandon Albert.

That one is not so far fetched as one may think. trade our 1st and get albert and a pick or two in later rounds and/ or swapping potions in a round, say round 3. the differ the balance of picks to next years draft for us.

i can see SP and Reed open to the idea now that Reid is in the AFC. they do have a history together

As far as the LOT OT of the rams he is worth a look at but there is a reason they signed long. could it be the kid needs to move to ROT? if so there is a glut on the market for ROT so the price maybe right. kicking tires and lighting fires

Rugby Saint II 03-29-2013 06:04 PM

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Can he play safety? I know.....I know...........it's old.

papz 03-29-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 490896)
ingram for Saffold

Now if you were selling me this from the start, I can see how it makes sense for both parties. Don't really know if I'd do it, but it would be an intriguing deal. I'm by no means Ingram's number 1 fan, but I'd like to see him breakout and become a franchise back here. There's still some solid LT's left on the market... I'd kick the tires on them first.

With that said, the Rams did use a second round pick on Pead and are also pretty high on Richardson... who at one point in the season, looked like their future. They may not find Ingram all that appealing.

CheramieIII 03-29-2013 07:06 PM

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left tackle will be our first pick in the draft and the guy out of oklahoma is my pick at #15 and we may even jump up to get him

Leighton B 03-29-2013 07:32 PM

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YEA ONLY WAY WE GET SAFFOLD IS IF HE CAN BE HAD FOR Roman Harper! Since we only have 5 picks we can't give any up unless we can trade Harper and Ingram or Ivory or even Pierre Thomas! We have Cadet ready to blossom like Ivory did this yr then we sign an undrafted fa like Spencer Ware or another quality back that'll go undrafted but is capable with talent!

rezburna 03-29-2013 08:35 PM

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I'm not going to panic. I honestly believe the Saints could win it all as is. So whatever they do in the draft is cool. I want Tyran Mathieu. And EJ Manuel.

D_it_up 03-29-2013 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Leighton B (Post 490937)
YEA ONLY WAY WE GET SAFFOLD IS IF HE CAN BE HAD FOR Roman Harper! Since we only have 5 picks we can't give any up unless we can trade Harper and Ingram or Ivory or even Pierre Thomas! We have Cadet ready to blossom like Ivory did this yr then we sign an undrafted fa like Spencer Ware or another quality back that'll go undrafted but is capable with talent!

I'm beginning to think when your fingers hit the keyboard they instantly develop Tourrette's.

alleycat_126 03-29-2013 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 490904)
That one is not so far fetched as one may think. trade our 1st and get albert and a pick or two in later rounds and/ or swapping potions in a round, say round 3. the differ the balance of picks to next years draft for us.

Lemme get this staight ( I know it's not you hagan IMS)..... It's far fetched to trade a position of need for a position of need with the Rams. RB for LT, and gain money taking the need for LT off the books and not having to pay a kings ransom to get a starter. But it isn't far fetched to trade our first Round pick for Brandon Albert who is going to command a higher salary than the guy we got rid of at the position.... We could only make moves like this if we were in " CAP HEAVEN.... We reside in "CAP HELL" where you have to make calculated moves and save money...

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 490904)
As far as the LOT OT of the rams he is worth a look at but there is a reason they signed long. could it be the kid needs to move to ROT? if so there is a glut on the market for ROT so the price maybe right. kicking tires and lighting fires

I put up a column a few weeks back about this and asked what kind of grades Saffold was getting, and as it turns out he started of with a bang, got injured and sputtered and graded out as a better than average tackle last season. But comon it's Jake Long.... That's like saying hay Patrick Willis is available when you have Jon Vilma...... OF COURSE I WANT WILLIS!!!! When healthy Jake Long is one of the LT's in the league.... The Rams placed there bet on Long being healthy versus him breaking down further. I don't think the change was based on how the kid played....

The Dude 03-29-2013 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 490941)
I'm not going to panic. I honestly believe the Saints could win it all as is. So whatever they do in the draft is cool. I want Tyran Mathieu. And EJ Manuel.

If Tyran is going to make it in the NFL he needs to stay the hell away from New Orleans. He has even said that getting away was the best thing that ever happened to him. He would be a horrible fit here for several reasons. I don't think we are anywhere close to winning it all as it is right now. The NFC is going to be the toughest it has been in years.

hagan714 03-30-2013 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 490950)
Lemme get this staight ( I know it's not you hagan IMS)..... It's far fetched to trade a position of need for a position of need with the Rams. RB for LT, and gain money taking the need for LT off the books and not having to pay a kings ransom to get a starter. But it isn't far fetched to trade our first Round pick for Brandon Albert who is going to command a higher salary than the guy we got rid of at the position.... We could only make moves like this if we were in " CAP HEAVEN.... We reside in "CAP HELL" where you have to make calculated moves and save money...

In no way would it be an easy trade we still have harpers contract to redo in our back pockets i think. But all i am saying i really think if they wanted to do the deal and so did albert. the relationship between SP and Reid make it possible. It would be interesting to see how they would work it out

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 490950)
I put up a column a few weeks back about this and asked what kind of grades Saffold was getting, and as it turns out he started of with a bang, got injured and sputtered and graded out as a better than average tackle last season. But comon it's Jake Long.... That's like saying hay Patrick Willis is available when you have Jon Vilma...... OF COURSE I WANT WILLIS!!!! When healthy Jake Long is one of the LT's in the league.... The Rams placed there bet on Long being healthy versus him breaking down further. I don't think the change was based on how the kid played....

See tat was more of the same type of question you asked i do not know enough about him. hmmm its an option.

Marlboro Man 03-30-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NinthWardJay (Post 490846)
We have a running back and a safety that they can have!!

As long as youre talking about Ingram and Harper, I'm good with it too.:D


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