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triman 04-02-2013 06:40 PM

Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
Saints have targeted CB in FA and have had 50% success. With the signing of other FA targets with other teams does that make Drafting a DB a bigger priority?
Lets look at the secondary players that could be available at #15.K.Vaccaro S, Xavier Rhodes CB are the two players IMHO that would be available and have enough value to be picked at#15. Vaccaro is the top rated safety with all the skills necessary to play in nfl. Rhodes is a big physical CB that fits in RR scheme.
3rd DB that might be around when the Saints Pick are players like Bacarri Rambo S,Rambo has first rd talent drops because of failed drug tests.Darrius Slay CB has man coverage ability that fits RR scheme
I generally like picking big ugliest early
(OL, DL)but it seems that the FO wants to beef up the back end.Thoughts,, Ideas, Opinions?

brian504 04-02-2013 06:53 PM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
Nnamdi asomugha sign to 49ers.1yr

xan 04-02-2013 06:53 PM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
We have no money.

Unless Drew Brees restructures his contract, there are only very minor positive moves to make regarding cap room.

We might as well start looking at 2014, because what you see now is what we got.

alleycat_126 04-02-2013 06:57 PM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xan (Post 491737)
We have no money.

Unless Drew Brees restructures his contract, there are only very minor positive moves to make regarding cap room.

We might as well start looking at 2014, because what you see now is what we got.

Bree's will restructure because we are going to need it. It may not be right away but it will happen this season.

nycsaintfan 04-02-2013 07:10 PM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
I tend to think we will be looking at a defensive lineman or safety. Trading back if the right offer comes along will also be an option.

rmgoris11 04-02-2013 07:11 PM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
Corey White, big corner at 6'1" 205lbs and had flashes of a very good corner-to-be last year. If he can learn the defense fast enough, he could be the guy to start opposite of Kennan Lewis. I am not saying he is our answer right now, but could be a very nice surprise in camp. With Greer sliding to the slot, would be an upgrade on last year's Defense.

voodooido 04-02-2013 07:22 PM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
CB will not be the pick. OT or DL is a lock.

|Mitch| 04-02-2013 07:23 PM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
With the signing of Coleman, Lewis, and Butler... I think the defensive priority has to be safety...

Left Tackle is a bigger priority than a safety though...

Danno 04-02-2013 07:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rmgoris11 (Post 491744)
Corey White, big corner at 6'1" 205lbs and had flashes of a very good corner-to-be last year. If he can learn the defense fast enough, he could be the guy to start opposite of Kennan Lewis. I am not saying he is our answer right now, but could be a very nice surprise in camp. With Greer sliding to the slot, would be an upgrade on last year's Defense.

Yes!

NFL rookies typically make a huge jump their 2nd year in the league. Corey actually got more playing time last year than he probably should have due to injuries.

I think he'll help us more than any 2nd/3rd day rookie CB will, and probably as much as any journeyman vet CB would.

Its still a question as to whether he's a better NFL safety (as many "experts" projected) than a CB but I like what I saw down the stretch last year before he got hurt.

Several others here also noticed his improved play as the season progressed. He was thrown to the wolves, got his ass kicked a bit, but kept on getting better. I really like this kid.

Seer1 04-02-2013 08:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 491746)
CB will not be the pick. OT or DL is a lock.

Dude! These are the Saints! Nothing is a lock when it comes to our draft. Get some voodooudo goin' and adjust the scouts' mojo upward a bit will ya?

Leighton B 04-02-2013 08:19 PM

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They will draft a cpl dbs and 1 of each if not another nickel corner like Mathieu!
If I had a choice my draft would consist of atleast 7 if not 8 picks by acquiring 2 or 3 through trading a safety, rb, or lb or cb! Let's just say a few aren't going to fit in a 3-4!
1st rd pick 15. Star L., 2nd rd "via trade of rb" Robert Alford, 3rd rd Terron Armstead, 4th rd. Tyran Matheiu, 5th rd. Best safety available lets believe Shamarko Thomas falls, 5th rd via Roman Harper trade, Bennie Logan, 6th rd. Best WR or TE available! That's a coup if it happens something like that!

lsutigerfan 04-02-2013 08:19 PM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 491746)
CB will not be the pick. OT or DL is a lock.

Really? I didn't think CB would be the pick when the Saints drafted Patrick Robinson either. I'm just saying, you never know. Im hoping for Alec Ogletree or a trade back.

Leighton B 04-02-2013 08:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan (Post 491760)
Really? I didn't think CB would be the pick when the Saints drafted Patrick Robinson either. I'm just saying, you never know. Im hoping for Alec Ogletree or a trade back.

Really we have tons of MLBs on our staff Ogeltree will fit better in a 4-3 chase LB just like Vilma does matter of fact they are built alot alike with their skill set! But ee don't need him now maybe last year but not this year he'll be exposed in a 3-4 when zone and pull blockers get their hands on him! I believe they either select DT but only if Star is there or Sly Williams is on their 1st rd board but if they go CB it wouldn't surprise me especially if Rhodes or Trufant are atop their board! BUT IT ALL GOES BACK TO THEIR BOARD! Which is made up of on a rd grade based on need with draft situation and draft value which even FA plays a part in! But positions get rated different each year based on the players available think about is lasy year overall selection Luck equal to this years probably not but it depends on players available and their position and the depth of that position in the draft and even during the current FA!

lee909 04-02-2013 10:54 PM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leighton B (Post 491759)
They will draft a cpl dbs and 1 of each if not another nickel corner like Mathieu!
If I had a choice my draft would consist of atleast 7 if not 8 picks by acquiring 2 or 3 through trading a safety, rb, or lb or cb! Let's just say a few aren't going to fit in a 3-4!
1st rd pick 15. Star L., 2nd rd "via trade of rb" Robert Alford, 3rd rd Terron Armstead, 4th rd. Tyran Matheiu, 5th rd. Best safety available lets believe Shamarko Thomas falls, 5th rd via Roman Harper trade, Bennie Logan, 6th rd. Best WR or TE available! That's a coup if it happens something like that!

Nobody in there right mind is giving us a second rounder for one of our RB.

lsutigerfan 04-03-2013 02:31 AM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leighton B (Post 491762)
Really we have tons of MLBs on our staff Ogeltree will fit better in a 4-3 chase LB just like Vilma does matter of fact they are built alot alike with their skill set! But ee don't need him now maybe last year but not this year he'll be exposed in a 3-4 when zone and pull blockers get their hands on him! I believe they either select DT but only if Star is there or Sly Williams is on their 1st rd board but if they go CB it wouldn't surprise me especially if Rhodes or Trufant are atop their board! BUT IT ALL GOES BACK TO THEIR BOARD! Which is made up of on a rd grade based on need with draft situation and draft value which even FA plays a part in! But positions get rated different each year based on the players available think about is lasy year overall selection Luck equal to this years probably not but it depends on players available and their position and the depth of that position in the draft and even during the current FA!

Might have tons of MLB, except for Lofton we can still use an upgrade at the position especially one who can cover. If Rhodes or Trufant is the pick, I'd be very happy! Star available at 15 is wishful thinking, he is the one guy I'd want most in this draft.

Sylvester Williams at 15, no thanks. Could trade back and still get him. This draft is very on defensive players, would love to trade back and pick up a second rounder.

FinSaint 04-03-2013 04:26 AM

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If they could add a 2nd round pick somehow, I wouldn't mind them picking up Amerson, but the focus does need to be on the defensive front 7 and OT.

Danno 04-03-2013 08:29 AM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 491781)
Nobody in there right mind is giving us a second rounder for one of our RB.

I'm not sure you could get a 2nd rounder for any player that isn't a QB or an All-pro.

How often do 2nd round tenders get signed by other teams, forfeiting a 2nd round pick?

triman 04-03-2013 11:36 AM

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2nd rd picks are very valuable. Not having one is a big disadvantage in a deep draft and changing defensive schemes. I kee p reading these post about trading RBs and Harper for high picks .STOP IT. Trading down is the most realistic way for us to recoup a 2nd rd pick. We might be able to package a RB and pick to move up.

ClintSaints 04-03-2013 11:43 AM

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Perhaps Rob Ryan can revitalize Jabari Greer's career. Or perhaps Jabari can stay healthy long enough to make an impact. But he's not getting any younger, that is for sure.

nycsaintfan 04-03-2013 01:00 PM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
Right now I think the major needs are either at left tackle or interior defensive line. I think with the addition of Lewis, and the holdover veterans on the roster we should be okay at corner.

I still think we could upgrade at the safety position, with positive results for our defense.

But, if we have a chance to trade down and acquire and extra pick or two we need to do it. Unless we are trading back 10 spots, a second round pick is going to be difficult to acquire. Its been said, we really do not have anyone on the roster right now that can get us a second. I fully agree with this.

Danno 04-03-2013 01:10 PM

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I think its still front 7. We have 3 players on our roster who have actually played in a 3-4 base in the NFL.

Rugby Saint II 04-03-2013 05:22 PM

Re: Is DB a bigger priority now?
 
Safety, DT or OT is still the way to go.


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