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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Supertek I am really at a loss I cannot totally accept that Spags system was to blame for all this. Our worst players got exposed. Spags system worked well in the past. For that reason I am ...

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Old 04-05-2013, 10:19 AM   #31
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Re: Worst ever for Jenkins and Harper

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I am really at a loss I cannot totally accept that Spags system was to blame for all this. Our worst players got exposed. Spags system worked well in the past. For that reason I am dumbfounded that we have not cut some of these guys outright. These are supposed to be pro football players and should perform at a certain level year in and year out so I am not buying it.
Watch the reruns of the games. There'd be ball carriers and receivers consistently running with no one within five yards of them. You can say the defense was out of position once in a while, but as often as it happened you've gotta say the players were assigned to be in the wrong position. Oh yeah, whose job was it to teach tackling? Even pros need to learn, to be taught and need to practice their skills. If they didn't then the teams wouldn't need to hire coaches in the first place. When coaches see something as being deficient, it's their job to work on it with their players. As far as Spags' system working, he was a DC for exactly two years inheriting a very well coached group of players including a stellar defensive line. He was the one that was exposed, inheriting an average group of defensive players that he couldn't coach to play average. And average was all we really needed.
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Watch the reruns of the games. There'd be ball carriers and receivers consistently running with no one within five yards of them. You can say the defense was out of position once in a while, but as often as it happened you've gotta say the players were assigned to be in the wrong position. Oh yeah, whose job was it to teach tackling? Even pros need to learn, to be taught and need to practice their skills. If they didn't then the teams wouldn't need to hire coaches in the first place. When coaches see something as being deficient, it's their job to work on it with their players. As far as Spags' system working, he was a DC for exactly two years inheriting a very well coached group of players including a stellar defensive line. He was the one that was exposed, inheriting an average group of defensive players that he couldn't coach to play average. And average was all we really needed.
And thats also why I question any 3rd party grading system. If the players were unsure of who was supposed to do what, how can some grader not associated with our team know it?

There were also lots of passes completed just over our LB's. Did the LB not cover deep enough? Were the safetties playing too deep? Did the LB/CB not cover their zone correctly?
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When players are under a bad coach they generally return to bad habits that good coaches broke them of long ago.
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At some point there is STILL some personal accountability.
Missed tackles (IMHO) are personal, or should be.
Dropped picks are also personal, but you kinda have to be in position to drop one.
Not being able to run a tightend down after he gets a step is just sad.
Being 5'11" across the back doesn't help either.
We were slow to react, slow at the top-end, and just slow.
3-4 requires even more sideline to sideline fleet-of-foot from the box.
I don't care how they stop the leaking. Our offense just deserves better help.

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