Do we have a valid O-line coach replacement?

WillSaints81 · 04-14-2013, 04:48 PM

I hear a lot that our O-line will not be the same and there is concern about it after losing Kromer. This concerns me! And I will not sweep anything under the rug for next year compared to last season. Losing a coach and LT in the same offseason isnt exactly good. And I'm worried Brees is going to be a bit off his 2011 numbers because of this. It wasnt Bushrod that we lost that I'm concerned about its Kromer.

|Mitch| · 04-14-2013, 05:24 PM

We have Brett Ingalls, who was promoted from being the running backs coach the past 4 years...

A coaching veteran of 31 years, including four stints as a coordinator, Bret Ingalls takes over as offensive line coach in his fifth season with the Saints after spending his first four campaigns tutoring the club’s running backs. It will be a natural transition for Ingalls, who has extensive experience tutoring offensive linemen.

He has more experience than Kromer, I'm not really worried...

SaintsBro · 04-14-2013, 06:18 PM

We went all the way to the NFC Championship game without Kromer. It will be a change, but no reason to automatically assume the run is over. Kromer was himself promoted from the running backs coach the same way, so there's no reason to assume it should not work out well.

The Dude · 04-14-2013, 07:42 PM

I am more worried about losing Kromer than anything else this season. Even the defense. Kromer was one hell of a coach and made all pro players out of later round picks. He kept them so they protected Drew enough to be one of the least sacked QB's in the league and continued to do so swapping out major players every year at position where continuity is vital. I think losing Kromer is going to be a much bigger problem than people think. Add the fact we need to replace a solid tackle and we could have major problems.

Rugby Saint II · 04-14-2013, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I am more worried about losing Kromer than anything else this season. Even the defense. Kromer was one hell of a coach and made all pro players out of later round picks. He kept them so they protected Drew enough to be one of the least sacked QB's in the league and continued to do so swapping out major players every year at position where continuity is vital. I think losing Kromer is going to be a much bigger problem than people think. Add the fact we need to replace a solid tackle and we could have major problems.

I'm in total agreement.

Danno · 04-14-2013, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I am more worried about losing Kromer than anything else this season. Even the defense. Kromer was one hell of a coach and made all pro players out of later round picks. He kept them so they protected Drew enough to be one of the least sacked QB's in the league and continued to do so swapping out major players every year at position where continuity is vital. I think losing Kromer is going to be a much bigger problem than people think. Add the fact we need to replace a solid tackle and we could have major problems.

He's not the O-line coach that developed Evans and Nicks. Kromer coached to O-line in 2009, 10, 11 and 12.

Doug Marrone was the coach that developed Nicks, Evans, and Goodwin.

FinSaint · 04-14-2013, 09:14 PM

Losing Kromer was a setback for sure, but it seemed the franchise was willing to see it happen, since they didn't pursue a new contract with him - at least nothing about it was leaked to the media - before his contract was up. This leads me to believe that they think they will be alright with Ingalls, and his resume certainly does seem quite impressive at a quick glance. Now, I have wondered about Kromer's role in the player development aspect in other threads before, and I'm not convinced that he was the "rainmaker" behind the good performances the Saints have gotten out of some of the lower drafted players, which is what Danno already alluded to. As a matter of fact, I think there's plenty to improve when it comes to, for example, the O-line blocking for the running game, and that aspect certainly fell under Kromer's responsibility.

So, it might not be all doom and gloom!

The Dude · 04-14-2013, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

He's not the O-line coach that developed Evans and Nicks. Kromer coached to O-line in 2009, 10, 11 and 12.

Doug Marrone was the coach that developed Nicks, Evans, and Goodwin.

Nicks was under Marrone for 1 year, Kromer had him the rest of the time so I would say Kromer was at least as responsible for developing Nicks as Marrone was. Kromer has also been good plugging in players like Del a Puente and probably had something to do with getting Grubbs here.

Danno · 04-15-2013, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Nicks was under Marrone for 1 year, Kromer had him the rest of the time so I would say Kromer was at least as responsible for developing Nicks as Marrone was. Kromer has also been good plugging in players like Del a Puente and probably had something to do with getting Grubbs here.

I don't think he had much to do with acquiring Grubbs, but he did a fine job with DLP for sure.

I don't think this staff would bring in an O-line coach thats gonna be a downgrade. I have doubts about anyone they bring in on the defensive side, but these cats know offense and know it well.

From what I've read about Ingalls, he looks every bit the O-line coach Kromer was.

Just look at the dude, he's got O-Line written all over him.

SaintnDE · 04-15-2013, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Just look at the dude, he's got O-Line written all over him.

I only see a Saint's logo!

04-14-2013, 04:48 PM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Do we have a valid O-line coach replacement? I hear a lot that our O-line will not be the same and there is concern about it after losing Kromer. This concerns me! And I will not sweep anything under the rug for next year compared to last season. Losing a coach and LT in the same offseason isnt exactly good. And I'm worried Brees is going to be a bit off his 2011 numbers because of this. It wasnt Bushrod that we lost that I'm concerned about its Kromer.

04-14-2013, 05:24 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Do we have a valid O-line coach replacement? We have Brett Ingalls, who was promoted from being the running backs coach the past 4 years... A coaching veteran of 31 years, including four stints as a coordinator, Bret Ingalls takes over as offensive line coach in his fifth season with the Saints after spending his first four campaigns tutoring the club’s running backs. It will be a natural transition for Ingalls, who has extensive experience tutoring offensive linemen. He has more experience than Kromer, I'm not really worried... Jamessr likes this.

04-14-2013, 06:18 PM	#3
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Do we have a valid O-line coach replacement? We went all the way to the NFC Championship game without Kromer. It will be a change, but no reason to automatically assume the run is over. Kromer was himself promoted from the running backs coach the same way, so there's no reason to assume it should not work out well. papz likes this.

04-14-2013, 07:42 PM	#4
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Do we have a valid O-line coach replacement? I am more worried about losing Kromer than anything else this season. Even the defense. Kromer was one hell of a coach and made all pro players out of later round picks. He kept them so they protected Drew enough to be one of the least sacked QB's in the league and continued to do so swapping out major players every year at position where continuity is vital. I think losing Kromer is going to be a much bigger problem than people think. Add the fact we need to replace a solid tackle and we could have major problems. Seer1 likes this.
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04-14-2013, 07:53 PM	#5
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,718	Re: Do we have a valid O-line coach replacement? Originally Posted by The Dude I am more worried about losing Kromer than anything else this season. Even the defense. Kromer was one hell of a coach and made all pro players out of later round picks. He kept them so they protected Drew enough to be one of the least sacked QB's in the league and continued to do so swapping out major players every year at position where continuity is vital. I think losing Kromer is going to be a much bigger problem than people think. Add the fact we need to replace a solid tackle and we could have major problems. I'm in total agreement.

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Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Do we have a valid O-line coach replacement? Originally Posted by The Dude I am more worried about losing Kromer than anything else this season. Even the defense. Kromer was one hell of a coach and made all pro players out of later round picks. He kept them so they protected Drew enough to be one of the least sacked QB's in the league and continued to do so swapping out major players every year at position where continuity is vital. I think losing Kromer is going to be a much bigger problem than people think. Add the fact we need to replace a solid tackle and we could have major problems. He's not the O-line coach that developed Evans and Nicks. Kromer coached to O-line in 2009, 10, 11 and 12. Doug Marrone was the coach that developed Nicks, Evans, and Goodwin. papz and FinSaint like this.

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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: Do we have a valid O-line coach replacement? Losing Kromer was a setback for sure, but it seemed the franchise was willing to see it happen, since they didn't pursue a new contract with him - at least nothing about it was leaked to the media - before his contract was up. This leads me to believe that they think they will be alright with Ingalls, and his resume certainly does seem quite impressive at a quick glance. Now, I have wondered about Kromer's role in the player development aspect in other threads before, and I'm not convinced that he was the "rainmaker" behind the good performances the Saints have gotten out of some of the lower drafted players, which is what Danno already alluded to. As a matter of fact, I think there's plenty to improve when it comes to, for example, the O-line blocking for the running game, and that aspect certainly fell under Kromer's responsibility. So, it might not be all doom and gloom!
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04-14-2013, 10:14 PM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Do we have a valid O-line coach replacement? Originally Posted by Danno He's not the O-line coach that developed Evans and Nicks. Kromer coached to O-line in 2009, 10, 11 and 12. Doug Marrone was the coach that developed Nicks, Evans, and Goodwin. Nicks was under Marrone for 1 year, Kromer had him the rest of the time so I would say Kromer was at least as responsible for developing Nicks as Marrone was. Kromer has also been good plugging in players like Del a Puente and probably had something to do with getting Grubbs here.
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04-15-2013, 09:49 AM	#9
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Do we have a valid O-line coach replacement? Originally Posted by The Dude Nicks was under Marrone for 1 year, Kromer had him the rest of the time so I would say Kromer was at least as responsible for developing Nicks as Marrone was. Kromer has also been good plugging in players like Del a Puente and probably had something to do with getting Grubbs here. I don't think he had much to do with acquiring Grubbs, but he did a fine job with DLP for sure. I don't think this staff would bring in an O-line coach thats gonna be a downgrade. I have doubts about anyone they bring in on the defensive side, but these cats know offense and know it well. From what I've read about Ingalls, he looks every bit the O-line coach Kromer was. Just look at the dude, he's got O-Line written all over him.

04-15-2013, 10:13 AM	#10
SaintnDE 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 443	Re: Do we have a valid O-line coach replacement? Originally Posted by Danno Just look at the dude, he's got O-Line written all over him. I only see a Saint's logo!
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