Trade Up for Dion Jordan ? If I Were GM
 

Word through many reports have quite a few top 10 Draft Holders seeking to trade out of that Position.

Facts are facts , We are a solid team after what we have done this off season defensively and offensively we a bit of a surplus issue. So IMO it's not like we needed a ton of Picks in this years shallow draft anyways.We just need to take care of priority concern.

Our only remaining obvious flaw is lack of a pass rush and Left tackle.

Should the opportunity to trade up early arise I would jump on it. Trade the 15 spot maybe even throw Ivory in it for a premier pick such as Dion Jordan or a top Tackle ( I wouldn't trust a weak draft to a OT for a top pick ) We have players on the Practice squad and down the depth chart that could be just as good as Bushrod ...

I'd Trade up and Aim For Dion Jordan So I have an Explosive Pass Rush to go along with the Developing Cameron Jordan , Later I'd take a chance on Tyrann Matheiu because of his Big Play Ability ( Rob Ryan Kinda Spilled The Beans with him already though ). Everything else this year is a Bonus as far as draft Picks.

Pick up a LT late in the Draft or Trade for one with Ivory and We're set

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If we trade up from 15 we are going to need to sacrifice some lower round picks. Given we only have 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th to barter with, we could be giving up a lot of what we have to achieve that. That is a huge gamble in this draft to get one player and even the premier players can bust out.

I'd far rather trade down and aquire more picks *or* look at who is available at 15. I think you will be surprised at some of the players that may fall that low. Jarvis Jones is looking like a lock at 15 and I am pretty sold on him.

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No.

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Here's an interesting little tidbit from Andy Staples:
Overrated
Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon
Jordan, who keeps showing up as a top-five pick in every mock draft I see, finished third in tackles for loss in 2012. Third in the nation? No. There wasn't a No. 3 because South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney (the likely No. 1 pick in the 2014 draft) and Arizona State defensive tackle Will Sutton tied for second with 23.5. Third in the Pac-12? Nope. That was UCLA linebacker Anthony Barr. Jordan finished No. 3 in tackles for loss on his own team with 10.5 (five sacks). And he might go second or third overall?
I get that Jordan's size (6-foot-6, 248 pounds) means he can play defensive end in a 4-3 or outside linebacker in a 3-4, but the idea that a 3-4 team needing a disruptive rusher would take Jordan over Georgia outside linebacker Jarvis Jones -- No. 1 in the nation with 24.5 tackles for loss even though he missed one game with an injury -- is absolutely dumbfounding. At least Jones will go elsewhere in the first round. Stanford's Thomas (6-4, 248) will go three to four rounds after Jordan, and all Thomas did -- playing against the same offensive lines as Jordan -- was get in the backfield more often (14.5 TFL, 7.5 sacks).


Read More: Dion Jordan overrated, Chance Warmack underrated in 2013 NFL draft based on college production - Andy Staples - SI.com

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The two tackles are said to be going one and two, which puts Dion Jordan's ceiling at 3 or four..... It's just too risky. You would have to give up the 1#15 and the #3 75 just to get close. You don't have enough picks... I understand your not fixing everything with this draft, but we are not one player on offense or defense away from being in the NFC championship game/ Super Bowl either.
Either A. We play it straight up I'd be trying to get Xavier Rhodes, or Kenny vaccaro, or B. you trade down and maximize the pick....

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For all the people knocking on Mingo, he's been more productive than both Ansah and equally with Jordan throughout their collegiate careers. He also offers the same amount of upside and honestly, his bust potential given the level of competition at LSU, is probably lower than the previous two.

Do not be surprised to see this happen.

With the limited amount of draft picks, and being a deep one(it's not shallow by any means), there's no need to trade up. While it's not really top heavy, though I think it's debatable given the high boom factor of some of the prospects, but good prospects throughout the first couple of days. If anything, it's a riskier draft top end draft... not a shallow one.

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maybe not so....

"A player that Jets fans should familiarize themselves with: Georgia outside linebacker Jarvis Jones." - Manish Mehta, New York Daily News

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That would be crazy, and what does that say about Jordan!!!! Your coach picked the same position

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Jordan could become a great pass-rusher. More likely he'll just be a really solid football player

Mingo could become a great pass-rusher. may never be anything more

i would take Jordan over Mingo because he has a better chance of becoming a 3 down player.

still i hate so much hype over actual play ability this high in the draft has major bust written all over it.

i just like players that you have a good idea of what your getting

so if either player is there at 15 i would have to really have no other choice to pick either one

add Ezekiel Ansah, DE/OLB, BYU to the list also

in a perfect world they will all be gone before we draft

just my opinion lol

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We are now assuming NFL development based off of Collegiate career?

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This is not a shallow draft and the Saints have a plethora of holes still left to fill and limited number of picks, so I wouldn't be for trading up.

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No, that would be silly. But it's data that needs to be weighed on heavily just as all the other off season interviews and work outs that prospect go through. How else would you analyze draft picks? Pick a random name out a hat?

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I was siding with you. Silly...

However, and this is just my opinion. There is a ton of over analyzation, along with a ton of exception to the rule examples. Drafting is more of an art than a science.

If you gave me a charcoal briquet, sulfur, and salt peter, I can make gun powder.

If you give me a brush, paint, a canvas, and the Mona lisa.. I could not produce anything relatively close to that work of art.

There is no reproducible formula for the draft, if there was there would be 32 teams doing the same thing and all doing it well.

I realize the truth is not as much fun... :-)

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Lets just say it's a good thing you are not the GM.

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I think it would be really interesting to give the same amount of information to someone who has absolutely zero interest in football and ask them to pick a draft board and then analyze a few years later how their picks have come on, developed, busted or whatnot.

I really do sometimes think you might as well throw darts at a board full of names.

Everyone is great at picking a bust after having watched them for 2 years at the pro level! :)

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Know of anyone that consistently wins at Fantasy Football year after year?

Even that is more art/luck ... It is an ever changing dynamic.

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This is spot on.:stupid:

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Also agree 100%.

But I don't view Jordan any better than I do Mingo or Jones or about 10-15 other front 7 prospects (or 3 or 4 DB's, or 4 or 5 offensive guys too)

I'd much rather have two 2nd round front 7 picks as opposed to only one in the top 10.

Unfortunately there will be very few teams that want to trade up, and a ton that want to trade down. We wouldn't get much in a tradedown in this year's draft.

Ideally I'd love a dounble trade down and pick up 3 2nd rounds and pick from a host of good looking DE/DT/CB/S prospects.

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That is my thinking as well!

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i am all for trading out of round 1 all together for a couple of seconds this year and a second next year. sure there would need to be some other things done but i could live with it

heck getting multi picks in any round this year would be nice. this is a solid deep blue collar draft. some real nice offensive glamor risks late in the draft can pay off big time.

i always like more picks but this has to be one of the best drafts i have seen in a long time

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Not a good option. Trade down & get more picks

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SAINTS MIGHT TRADE DOWN BUT NO WAY THEY TRADE UP WHEN THE VALUE IN THE 1ST RD IS BETWEEN 10-30. NOT BUT A COUPLE PLAYERS HAVE REAL TOP 10 GRADES SO NO WAY THEY MOVE UP TO GET DEVALUED IT'S LUDICROUS! THE REAL VALUE IS IN ROUNDS 2-4! Mickey and Sean said they graded less than 30 first round grades but more than 50 2nd rd grades so the value is later on so we need early mid round picks so I see us either trading a couple players and or trade down no way we trade up in the 1st but maybe in the 2nd , 3rd, 4th, or even 5th because of the depth of TEs, DBs, and DTs! We need more mid round picks this year maybe even picks next year because the cap will be the same and we need to infuse young cheap talent to plug in instead of overrated FAs that are on the downside of their careers! Although I absolutely love our moves this offseason because of not reaching on a high priced LT or a high priced older pass rusher instead getting a young hungry adapted OLB like Butler he's already up to speed on the 3-4 perfect for the transition from the 4-3! We need DBs, edge rushers, but really with our free agent acquisition we can go best available and with my projection we can fill needs by going best available if you are willing to wait and get the CB in the 3rd or later because of the depth really I like Robert Alford as much as any CB out there and I believe the way that Sean and Mickey work they know this is deep for DBs I mean I think you can get an eventual starter in the 5th rd like Tharold Simon There is a ton of options in the secondary so that's the position I would be willing to gamble that an impact player would be available later!

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I wouldnt rule out trading up if somebody drops and the cost isnt too much.

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True, but getting someone like Dion Jordan would probably take trading up to top 5 - or very close to it - which would cost way too much for the Saints.

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I don't want to trade up unless its to leapfrog a couple of teams and pick up somebody like Star or Johnson.Some sort of deal with the Jets.Id much rather trade back