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westbankdaze 04-24-2013 09:18 AM

It's gonna be Jarvis Jones
 
I'm putting it down for the record. You may all now stop posting your draft pics. Ha!

:)

Danno 04-24-2013 09:39 AM

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I hope not, but I won't cry about it. Just about anyone of the top guys we pick there is probably fine. Jones, Mingo, Star, Jordan, the OT's, Austin, Vacarro, Richardson etc...

I'm much more interested in rounds 2 thru 7.

Here's a shocker, don't be surprised if TE Tyler Elfert's name is called when we pick.

lsutigerfan 04-24-2013 09:50 AM

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I think it will Jarvis too. Unless Mingo falls to us.

lee909 04-24-2013 09:50 AM

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What's your thoughts with that one Danno. Steps in and replaces Graham after next season with him needing a big deal,or as a 1-2 punch?

lee909 04-24-2013 09:50 AM

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If our doctors have cleared Jones I'm good with that.Too be honest it will be hard to draft a complete bust this year

papz 04-24-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 496527)
Here's a shocker, don't be surprised if TE Tyler Elfert's name is called when we pick.

I think I said the same thing after the combine. The kid is smooth and we all know Payton likes his toys.

Danno 04-24-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 496530)
What's your thoughts with that one Danno. Steps in and replaces Graham after next season with him needing a big deal,or as a 1-2 punch?

He's probably going to be as good as Jimmy Graham. That puts him at BPA especially if we trade down a few spots.

If our highest rated DE/DT/OLB's are gone, I could see this happening, but probably only if we trade down and pick up a 2nd rounder.

Supertek 04-24-2013 10:39 AM

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Payton has a way of makig people think one direction and go the other so it would not surprise me because he tends to look eay down the road in advance. I am just praying that somehow we address the SAFETY position. I have lost all confidence in Harper and I can't stand to see him trying to cover at all no nose for the football and no anticipation, no ball skills. Jenkins not much better. I know that a pass rush helps the secondary but even with that Harper can't cover anyone or catch the ball if he does get a break or just a mistake throw to Him. I hope viccarro happens to be there if not take one in the later rounds.

D_it_up 04-24-2013 11:13 AM

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I just have this gut feeling the Saints are going to trade down.

westbankdaze 04-24-2013 11:26 AM

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NFL.com has us drafting a nose tackle. I just don't see it when we really need good LBs for this scheme. Next guy on the list is JJ. I can't see us passing him up when the steelers want him as a replacement for Harrison.

If we do trade down it probably would be with the steelers.

saintsfan403 04-24-2013 11:35 AM

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I could see it. If we do go BPA and get an offensive weapon I would like to see us pick Tayvon Austin and let Drew host a track meet.

Crusader 04-24-2013 11:38 AM

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I could live with that.

FinSaint 04-24-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 496545)
I could live with that.


As could I, but I would rather seem them trade down to gain more picks - if not for any other reason than for us to have more rookies to discuss after the draft. :-)

xan 04-24-2013 01:08 PM

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It will be Jarvis Jones unless it's not.

Not factors include : another team takes him, we take another player, he dies, Jarvis wins Powerball, Goodell takes the pick away.

alleycat_126 04-24-2013 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 496539)
I just have this gut feeling the Saints are going to trade down.

I'm going with your gut I would love a two for 1 special, I don't even remember what a second round talent looks like anymore

hagan714 04-24-2013 01:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 496527)
I hope not, but I won't cry about it. Just about anyone of the top guys we pick there is probably fine. Jones, Mingo, Star, Jordan, the OT's, Austin, Vacarro, Richardson etc...

I'm much more interested in rounds 2 thru 7.

Here's a shocker, don't be surprised if TE Tyler Elfert's name is called when we pick.

lmao you are funny. scary but funny. so scary you might have some thing there


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Originally Posted by saintsfan403 (Post 496544)
I could see it. If we do go BPA and get an offensive weapon I would like to see us pick Tayvon Austin and let Drew host a track meet.

i could live with it. as a matter of fact i could live an all offense draft.


How about shocking everyone

Jonathan Cooper OG/OC
Reid Fragel, OT/TE, Ohio State
Chris Faulk, OT, LSU
Aaron Mellette WR Elon
Marcus Davis, WR, Virginia Tech

now that would floor NFC South and make Mels hair stand on end

Rugby Saint II 04-24-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by westbankdaze (Post 496541)
NFL.com has us drafting a nose tackle. I just don't see it when we really need good LBs for this scheme. Next guy on the list is JJ. I can't see us passing him up when the steelers want him as a replacement for Harrison.

If we do trade down it probably would be with the steelers.

Well, we do need a NT. I can't go into the season with the same folks on the defensive front line. Ellis will be gone but the other three look to be starting again.(it looks like Hicks could play DE or DT). We can't win with that group on the front line. We've proved it year after year.
We've got Coleman who will help some but we still need a presence in the middle. We must get pressure on the QB and we must get in the back field more often.

westbankdaze 04-24-2013 02:48 PM

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Hicks is our man for NT.

Danno 04-24-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by westbankdaze (Post 496584)
Hicks is our man for NT.

I think he'd make a better DE, but I'm OK with him at NT too.

The good news is we can probably do well with just another decent space eating DT, which isn't too costly and can be drafted in the mid rounds. Its the space eaters that can also pass rush that cost big money.

We can rotate Bunkley and another hog on early downs, and move Hicks inside on pass rush downs.

The sky is the limit for Hicks.

dizzle88 04-24-2013 03:11 PM

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If our choices are limited and we arent high on the guys that are left, I wouldnt be suprised to see us try and trade back to get a second rounder

FinSaint 04-24-2013 03:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by westbankdaze (Post 496584)
Hicks is our man for NT.


Just like Danno I do believe Hicks is better suited to being a DE in a 3-4. I think that with his body type he could become a DE in the way of Haloti Ngata became this past season for the Ravens. Then you could rotate him to the interior for obvious passing downs while positioning him by default on the other side opposite to Jordan. I just think that Hicks doesn't have the body type to be an effective 0-gap or 1-gap NT because I don't think he can create enough leverage against most centers who tend to have lower centers of gravity - that's where someone like Bunkley will shine the brightest.

But the Saints can definitely pick up a space eating NT to rotate with Bunkley with a lower round pick, and they do need to add depth to that position whether it be through the draft, veteran free agents or the UDFA pool.

homerj07 04-24-2013 04:01 PM

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I prefer Jarvis to Mingo & I don't like Jarvis

Seer1 04-24-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 496599)
Just like Danno I do believe Hicks is better suited to being a DE in a 3-4. I think that with his body type he could become a DE in the way of Haloti Ngata became this past season for the Ravens. Then you could rotate him to the interior for obvious passing downs while positioning him by default on the other side opposite to Jordan. I just think that Hicks doesn't have the body type to be an effective 0-gap or 1-gap NT because I don't think he can create enough leverage against most centers who tend to have lower centers of gravity - that's where someone like Bunkley will shine the brightest.

But the Saints can definitely pick up a space eating NT to rotate with Bunkley with a lower round pick, and they do need to add depth to that position whether it be through the draft, veteran free agents or the UDFA pool.

I've been saying that too, but apparently Rob likes'em athletic. Hicks is definitely that. Plus he's not that tiny.

alleycat_126 04-24-2013 07:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan403 (Post 496544)
I could see it. If we do go BPA and get an offensive weapon I would like to see us pick Tayvon Austin and let Drew host a track meet.

Tavon is the one leaving the boards early..... In a suprise it seems to be Cordelle Patterson that is falling in most of recent mocks I've seen.... Do you think Shawn would be able to contain himself if Patterson makes it to #15

RockyMountainSaint 04-24-2013 08:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xan (Post 496558)
It will be Jarvis Jones unless it's not.

Not factors include : another team takes him, we take another player, he dies, Jarvis wins Powerball, Goodell takes the pick away.

God bless you Crab!

You are top five on my Black&Gold draft board for life.

RockyMountainSaint 04-24-2013 08:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 496527)
Here's a shocker, don't be surprised if TE Tyler Elfert's name is called when we pick.

I will be shocked if Eifert is available at 15.

I see teams valuing him above Cordarelle.

I don't value him that high. I do see teams doing crazy things every year on draft day.

I say the Jets pick him. QB sucks but we paid him tons of money? Give him an "easy" target.

Danno 04-24-2013 08:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 496687)
I will be shocked if Eifert is available at 15.

I see teams valuing him above Cordarelle.

I think he's picked late 1st RMS, however with the sudden popularity of the 2-TE sets, I wouldn't be shocked if he was gone when we picked, but I would be a little bit surprised.

FinSaint 04-24-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 496689)
I think he's picked late 1st RMS, however with the sudden popularity of the 2-TE sets, I wouldn't be shocked if he was gone when we picked, but I would be a little bit surprised.


About Eifert per cbssports.com:

Quote:

WEAKNESSES: Has done a nice job adding weight to his frame, but appears maxed out physically. Lacks elite quickness in his break to consistently separate and is still growing as a route-runner. Has good, but not great, straight-line speed and can be caught from behind by linebackers. Will have some dropped passes at times and, while not a large concern, has room to improve his focus through the catch. Still growing as a blocker and needs to use better angles.
Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com


That sounds almost exactly like someone already wearing the black & gold, so I guess a team picking him couldn't go too wrong.

Also, there seems to be a quite a big dropoff in the TE talent pool after Eifert - only Ertz and Kelce might be among the TEs taken in the first two rounds and even Kelce is bit of an uncertain commodity not having participated in the combine. Escobar and Reed are pretty much the only other TEs I've seen listed as potential 2nd rounders, but unlikely ones in any case.

Luda34 04-24-2013 09:18 PM

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I won't be mad


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