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A: We KILLED it! Championship! Pass the whiskey! 24 36.36%
B: We did okay with what we had to work with. Hand me another beer. 35 53.03%
C: I'm neither sad nor disappointed. Meh. Hand me another beer. 4 6.06%
D: We blew it. Too many projects. Pass the whiskey. 3 4.55%
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Grade The Draft

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Overall. Not over the moon about the whole draft. I think we did well I just am not giving us a home run that I believe it could have gotten. B to C range... Here's why: So obvious that Pitt ...

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Old 04-28-2013, 07:49 AM   #21
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Overall. Not over the moon about the whole draft. I think we did well I just am not giving us a home run that I believe it could have gotten.

B to C range...

Here's why:



So obvious that Pitt wanted Jones and the Rams wanted Vaccaro really bad..... You didn't make Pitt earn Jarvis Jones with there picks you just let them have him for nothing. Even Jerry Jones got value... He didn't draft well.... but he got value. The Vaccaro pick ( B+)

Terron Armstead was the name that was left on the board so I cant fault them here ( we needed this pick ) ( A)

The wasted fourth round pick( ????) John Jenkins
Jesse Williams and Alex Okafor floated around the fourth and even fifth round like two kids in a pool with arm floaties on waving there hands at you and they didn't even get a sniff from us. These two value alone for where they where slotted to be drafted versus where you selected them would have made your draft and A

If you selected Vaccaro that means you at least had tape and a grade on Alex Okafor.... you could have took him in the fourth, and still come back with the trade to the Jets for Ivory pick and Jenkins still would have been there.... wasted a pick to trade up... Jenkins only because it took and extra pick to aquire him ( C-)

Kenny Stills - Would have been a terrific pick up, if we hadn't selected the exact same reciever last season ( Nick Toon ) Where is your commitment to the D. If your intent in the beginning for Vaccaro is for him to cover the slot reciever then get another FS prospect ( Baccari Rambo) also covers the deep middle. When you convert Vaccaro could be the SS and you would have a FS as well... At least that was how I saw it but you also could have gone corner here ( Tharold Simon 6'3) My guess is that since they ( Loomis and Payton ) didn't select Toon that it didn't happen. (B)

Rufus????

Really... He's gonna play OLB so I get that it was need based but to me it boils down to Rufus.... vs Okafor.... And the truth is if the Saints dont pick Rufus... He probably goes undrafted??? Again I don't know, so I can't speculate but those are my immidate feelings about the pick!!! (INCOMPLETE)
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:24 AM   #22
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Round 1 would of could of should of game. lost a lot flexibility in a wild draft were every one was trading. which was expected. Is he the next coming? I have not bought into that. still think in any other draft he would not have gone this high. so wait and see game has started with this pick.

Round 3 solid risk/reward type of move. coaching and training and a whole lot of praying his learning curve is that of Nicks and not Bushrod. no i am not surprised he was there. IMO we reached on on him a bit.

Round 4 - not crazy at all by the move. I had peg him as the next coming of Jonathan Sullivan. There were to many players on the board for the move. besides with two picks in the fourth you once again passed on the ability to add picks by trading. the move cost us a lot of players

Round 5 - once again the offense went with solid risk/reward approach. It not so much his speed that impresses me about him but it his quickness. He maybe the slot back up to groom we never had that can move outside when needed. get him in the weight room and some coaching we might just have some thing here. he needs to work on getting through the jam at line big time.

Round 6 - WTH was that? lets see what makes him so wanted by our defensive staff. heck of a lot of talent on the board for this reach to the other side of the universe. so he better be good.

over all the offense side of the ball did a good job A-.

Now the defensive side of the ball is another issue. i am not going after the players selected as much as giving our DC way to much control of the draft when he had the chance to make his moves in the draft. get him the pieces to build his defense mentality cost us a boat load of picks and tied our hands through out the draft. D

Front Office as a whole for allowing our DC to do it F

We left one of the deepest drafts in history with little to show for it. This was a great risk/rewards draft from the middle rounds to the end for a team to load up on quality players and rebuild their depth charts. we are building a 34 defense with a depth chart full of question marks. this was the perfect draft to address that issue. we blew it.

talk to everyone in three years for the final verdict

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Old 04-28-2013, 08:42 AM   #23
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Now the defensive side of the ball is another issue. i am not going after the players selected as much as giving our DC way to much control of the draft when he had the chance to make his moves in the draft. get him the pieces to build his defense mentality cost us a boat load of picks and tied our hands through out the draft. D

Front Office as a whole for allowing our DC to do it F

We left one of the deepest drafts in history with little to show for it. This was a great risk/rewards draft from the middle rounds to the end for a team to load up on quality players and rebuild their depth charts. we are building a 34 defense with a depth chart full of question marks. this was the perfect draft to address that issue. we blew it.
How do you know how much control Ryan had in the draft?
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:43 AM   #24
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Rufus????

Really... He's gonna play OLB so I get that it was need based but to me it boils down to Rufus.... vs Okafor.... And the truth is if the Saints dont pick Rufus... He probably goes undrafted??? Again I don't know, so I can't speculate but those are my immidate feelings about the pick!!!

In the post draft presser Loomis mentioned that he got a text message from one of the other GMs after they picked Rufus which said that they were (some other team) going to pick him as well.

So, if we are to believe Loomis on this and the other GM was being honest with him - then he wouldn't have made it out of the draft.



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Now the defensive side of the ball is another issue. i am not going after the players selected as much as giving our DC way to much control of the draft when he had the chance to make his moves in the draft. get him the pieces to build his defense mentality cost us a boat load of picks and tied our hands through out the draft. D

Front Office as a whole for allowing our DC to do it F

The thing is that we don't know how they picked the players they did and how much control each staff member had over the overall draft board.

So, while you're assuming that Rob Ryan had total control over the defensive players that were picked - it could as well be that he didn't have total control over the picks.
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Old 04-28-2013, 09:26 AM   #25
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At first I wasn't thrilled at the pick of. Vaccaro. Passing on S Floyd more than the pick of Vaccaro. I really like the two picks in the 3rd. Mark it down T. Armestead will be a stud LT. J.Jenkins has two things in common with J.Sullivan He is a DT and he went to GA. ! Jenkins gets it he lost 40lbs. 370 down to 330. BIG men that move like him are rare . I think the FO did an excellent job playing the hand they were dealt.
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Old 04-28-2013, 09:26 AM   #26
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"get him the pieces" mentality

come on, no one has ever heard of this mentality when a coordinator takes over? i have heard it for years and have seen it in way to many drafts over the years by every team in the nfl.

the final push for a defensive player always comes from DC and his staff. They have to sell the pick. who else is qualified to do it? to assume a Dc does not control who they pick is extremely rare. We do not have a Jerry Jones here in new orleans. Were the team picks may not be his to control but the player is 99% of the time, unless you have a defensive head coach but SP is all offense.

SP has always put his faith in his coordinators and just over sees that side of the ball. Offense is his baby. The final decision rest with him but the sales pitch comes from across the table.

Loomis? he is the pencil pusher and one of the best in the nfl. he has even said the same when it comes to players. Thats why the spy gate involved with him was so funny.

sorry the change over to 34 and last years failure gave way to much control to the defensive side of the ball. it got a bit out of control in my book.

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Vaccaro: A-
Armstead: A (given where we got him)
Jenkins: A (given where we got him)
Stills: B
Johnson: C+

Overall: B+

Adjusted for Goodell's hatred for our team: A+
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Old 04-28-2013, 09:36 AM   #28
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Btw, if we were going to actually use a draft pick on a "project" like Rufus, why not Lawrence Okoye, who has now signed with the 49ers. Okoye is as raw as can be, but the freakish athleticism alone justifies the project.
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At first I wasn't thrilled at the pick of. Vaccaro. Passing on S Floyd more than the pick of Vaccaro. I really like the two picks in the 3rd. Mark it down T. Armestead will be a stud LT. J.Jenkins has two things in common with J.Sullivan He is a DT and he went to GA. ! Jenkins gets it he lost 40lbs. 370 down to 330. BIG men that move like him are rare . I think the FO did an excellent job playing the hand they were dealt.
Agreed triman. I too wanted Floyd but the more I read about him, the more it sounds like he's strictly a 4-3 DT, basically Sedrick Ellis's old position. I've convinced myself that he really wasn't as good a pick for us as I'd originally thought.

I was kinda relieved that we didn't pick Jarvis Jones. When I read that there isn't an NFL OLB in the entire league that ran that slow, I got scared of that pick. When I also read that being the SEC sack leader has rarely translated to NFL success, I worried even more.
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Old 04-28-2013, 09:42 AM   #30
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I don't think the offers were made for trading back.The cowboys only got a third for dropping alot of places.I doubt the 49ers wanted to trade with us either.
I wanted Jones but I'm guessing the coaches didnt like his medical history or lack of speed.

I'm pretty happy with how the draft worked out though I have some doubts on trading up,over keeping the additional pick.
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