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Seer1 04-30-2013 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 500115)
To play devils advocate I heard the exact same thing last year when Payton got suspended. "Kromer and Vitt have been around Payton and implementing his schemes so long and Carmichael was even calling the plays last year, there probably won't be much of a drop off "

Yeah. What'd we know?

saintsfan1976 04-30-2013 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 500115)
To play devils advocate I heard the exact same thing last year when Payton got suspended. "Kromer and Vitt have been around Payton and implementing his schemes so long and Carmichael was even calling the plays last year, there probably won't be much of a drop off "

We learned just how important Payton was. Don't forget the addition of Spags and his system - the one players clearly didn't buy into .

WillSaints81 04-30-2013 09:02 PM

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i have to agree this is the only thing I am worried about next year.

hagan714 05-01-2013 05:40 AM

Re: Terron Armstead is the most intriguing and important rookie on the New Orleans Saints roster
 
all i want to see is his football smarts. i hope they are high to reduce the learning curve. he is a project but how much?

push this kid into the ground, ride his butt, force feed him whatever it takes to get a grip on how long this project will take.

burningmetal 05-01-2013 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 500004)
Right, and apparently Morrone and Kromer were good at it. I don't know enough about Ingalls. I'm sure he's a great coach, but is he a great teacher?

I should hope if he's a good coach, he's a good teacher. That's what a coach is. He's not going to call plays. I'm not worried about it, I've said many times that position coaches are largely overrated.

Everybody is wondering if we can replace Kromer, but when you look back, guys like Evans, Nicks, Stinchcomb, and Goodwin and Grubbs who have been our best linemen over the years were all established before the tenure of Kromer. Gotta have the players, as no coach is a miracle worker. Every position coach teaches the same basic principles. I'm sure the approach varies somewhat, but we still have our head coach. That's where all the brains come in.

Danno 05-01-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 500213)
I should hope if he's a good coach, he's a good teacher. That's what a coach is. He's not going to call plays. I'm not worried about. I've said many times that position coaches are largely overrated.

Everybody is wondering if we can replace Kromer, yet look at how Dennis Allen has fared in Oakland. Gotta have the players. Every position coach teaches the same basic principles. I'm sure the approach varies somewhat, but we still have our head coach. That's where all the brains come in.

I think thats mostly true, but you do have some coaches who are better teachers than coaches. Rick Venturi was a very highly respected position coach, or teacher. But when he became the defensive coordinator, he didn't fare so well.

I view coaching as a mix of teaching who you have and scheming based on what you have.

burningmetal 05-01-2013 08:25 AM

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Yeah, it is a mixed bag at times. Though I think some guys are just products of coaching good talent, and don't really stand out at any position they coach.

I edited my comment above. I don't think the Dennis Allen reference really drove home the point I wanted to make.

Joker 05-01-2013 11:43 AM

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According to NFL.COM, This guys weaknesses as they put it can be solved in the weight room and a little coaching. He was rated as the 6th overall tackle in the draft but by season end very well may be the best tackle of his class. IMO I think he will be the best tackle the Saint's have had since big Willie provided he does what he's supposed to do.

STRENGTHS
Armstead is a fantastic athlete for the position. He is light on his feet in pass protection, and nimble when on the move. Agile, moves well in space, shows the quickness to get to the second level and cut off linebackers. Has been asked to pull all the way across the line and has shown effectiveness in doing so. Bends and redirects well. Extends his arms to keep pass rushers at bay. Not overwhelmed by defensive twists and stunts. Does a good job of selling play fakes, draws, and screens.
WEAKNESSES
Needs to improve lower body strength. Can get bull rushed back. Faced sub-par competition. Needs to speed up hands, and be more consistent with his aiming point. Gets to the second level quickly, but will struggle to locate his target, gets lost in space. Will lunge at defenders with his head down in the run game.

The Dude 05-01-2013 04:14 PM

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Looks like all the negatives are coachable.

Seer1 05-01-2013 05:22 PM

Re: Terron Armstead is the most intriguing and important rookie on the New Orleans Saints roster
 
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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 500138)
i have to agree this is the only thing I am worried about next year.

I'm more worried about the painkiller thing. Don't know which of the coaching staff was sleeping with rogger's wife, but I hope they've stopped.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Armstead starting before the season's out and hopefully not due to injuries.


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