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SmashMouth 04-30-2013 12:30 PM

Terron Armstead is the most intriguing and important rookie on the New Orleans Saints roster
 
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Left tackle is one of the few things the New Orleans Saints have gotten right over the years.

Even before Drew Brees and Sean Payton arrived, the Saints have manned the offense's second most important position with a standout blocker. It's largely been a position of strength for two decades.

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Dating to 1994, the Saints have started a Pro Bowl-caliber player at left tackle every season. The lone exceptions were 2003, 2004 and 2005 when veteran Wayne Gandy was signed to bridge the gap between Kyle Turley and Jammal Brown. Before them, Hall of Famer Willie Roaf had the job. For the last three years, it's been in the capable, powerful hands of Jermon Bushrod. That foursome combined to make 15 Pro Bowls and nine All-Pro teams.

The run ended when Bushrod signed with the Chicago Bears in March free agency. His departure left the Saints with a yawning hole on their left flank, a situation that Saints coach Sean Payton admitted in March made him lose sleep.

Rule No. 1 in Payton's offense is protect Brees. It all starts there. The security Bushrod and Brown provided to Brees has been one of the least appreciated factors behind the offense's unprecedented prolificacy.

Everyone just assumes the touchdowns and yards will continue to rain this season. But they won't if left tackle becomes a turnstile to the No. 9 train.

That's why Terron Armstead is the most intriguing player in the Saints' five-man draft class.

Would the Saints be willing to risk Brees' blind side to a third-round draft pick from Arkansas-Pine Bluff?

The Saints have shown they aren't afraid of the baptism-by-fire ritual. In 2006 they thrust an unknown fourth-round pick from Division II Bloomsburg into the starting lineup. Since then, Jahri Evans has started 112 consecutive games and played in four Pro Bowls.

But left tackle is different than left guard. It's assigned to block the opponent's best pass rusher. The number of humans quick enough and strong enough to ward off the freakishly athletic men who play defensive end and outside linebacker in the NFL is short. That's why left tackles are compensated more lucratively than any position except quarterback.

The Saints have started a rookie left tackle only once. In 1978, J.T. Taylor started all 16 games after being drafted in the second round out of Missouri. Archie Manning was sacked 37 times that season, an unfortunate but also quite common consequence for Manning in those days.

Since then, the Saints have gone with veterans at the position. Even the greatest left tackle in club history, Willie Roaf, spent a season on training wheels at right tackle before being thrown to the pass-rushing wolves on the left side. Jammal Brown followed the same path despite being selected with the No. 13 overall pick in the 2005 draft.

So it'd be an upset if Armstead were able to beat out Charles Brown or Jason Smith for the starting job. But it could happen. If Brown and Smith were sure things, the Saints wouldn't have invested the 75th overall pick in a left tackle. Brown has been injury-prone. Smith, a former No. 2 overall draft pick, has been a bust.

Armstead played at a small school but he has big-time skills. He ran the fastest 40-yard dash of any lineman at the NFL Scouting Combine. His time of 4.65 seconds is comparable to what most outside linebackers run, not 6-5, 306-pound linemen. His vertical leap of 34.5 inches was higher than that of Saints' fifth-round pick, wide receiver Kenny Stills. He also was a state champion shot putter at Cahokia, Ill., High School.

The jaw-dropping physical skills are reminiscent of another Saints tackle with Pine Bluff, Ark., connections. Roaf was a standout basketball player at Pine Bluff High School who famously could dunk from a standing position.


Willie Roaf became the second New Orleans Saint to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame last August.
Michael DeMocker, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune

Armstead said he and Roaf have become acquainted in recent weeks. He said he's studied tape of Roaf dominating NFL defensive linemen and hopes to emulate the Hall of Famer's career, on and off the field.

"He's a great guy," Armstead said. "He's been watching me and has been steering me in the right direction, letting me know what to expect."

Armstead said Roaf texted him five minutes after his selection on Friday with a simple message: "Stay humble and hungry. It's time to go to work."

And that's exactly what Armstead is doing. He said Monday he knows he has a lot to learn and just wants the opportunity to compete for the starting spot. His first goal is to learn the playbook. Once he knows what he's doing, then he'll worry about his position on the depth chart.

"I have the confidence in myself that I can potentially be the starter," Armstead said. "... But I know I have a hill to climb."

Armstead watched the draft with family at his home in Cahokia. He said the fact that Steve Gleason announced his selection made the moment doubly exciting. He called it a "special memory" and said he looked forward to meeting the former Saints standout when he gets to New Orleans.

"That was amazing," Armstead said. "I didn't know his story but my dad Googled him and I read about him. I was honored to have him call my name."

Roaf and Gleason. Two Saints icons. Armstead hasn't played a down yet but he's already off to an impressive start in New Orleans.

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Crusader 04-30-2013 12:47 PM

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Good to hear Roaf reaching out to the young buck. If Armstead can be just half as good he'll do fine.

Shoe. 04-30-2013 12:51 PM

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Isn't JD on record as a Goodell supporter? Not sure I value his opinion as much anymore...

Danno 04-30-2013 12:56 PM

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I think this guy had the best measurables of all the OT's at the combine, and was projected to go in the 2nd as the 6th best OT in the draft.

I don't know much about the new O-line coach. I know he has a good reputation, but I think if Marrone or Kromer were still here I think this cat would be our opening day LT.

foreverfan 04-30-2013 01:26 PM

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The Dude 04-30-2013 01:35 PM

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Left tackle is one of the few things the New Orleans Saints have gotten right over the years.

Well there was that Super Bowl thing
Signing Brees
Getting value out of late round picks i.e. Colston and UDFA Ivory and Thomas
Developing 3 pro bowl OT
Having a top 5 offense every year

But whose counting

Rugby Saint II 04-30-2013 01:38 PM

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Stay humble and hungry..............gotta' love it! :razz:

jcp026 04-30-2013 02:01 PM

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"Rule No. 1 in Payton's offense is protect Brees. It all starts there. The security Bushrod and Brown provided to Brees has been one of the least appreciated factors behind the offense's unprecedented prolificacy."

Charles Brown has started 8 games in 3 three seasons. Zach Strief has started 30 games since 2006 and 25 games over the past 3 seasons. Why is Strief being ignored? Strief was a steal in the 7th round and Brown has been a bit of a disappointment in the 2nd round. I hope Brown can stay healthy and get it together, but I just don't get it.

mutineer10 04-30-2013 02:13 PM

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It's not like the pass protection was dramatically impressive last season - with Bushrod and Strief - and Brees' turnovers showed it. I'm all for this kid, but I'm gonna keep my expectations reasonable.

|Mitch| 04-30-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 499956)
I don't know much about the new O-line coach.

The "new" O-Line coach was the running backs coach when Kromer was the O-Line coach; It's not like he is coming in and gotta start from scratch...

In theory; we shouldn't miss a beat... In fact; Bret Ingalls has more coaching experience than Kromer ever thought about having

TheOak 04-30-2013 03:02 PM

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Delegating someone elses vision is vastly different from being the visionary.

Danno 04-30-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 499990)
The "new" O-Line coach was the running backs coach when Kromer was the O-Line coach; It's not like he is coming in and gotta start from scratch...

In theory; we shouldn't miss a beat... In fact; Bret Ingalls has more coaching experience than Kromer ever thought about having

I knew he was a good O-line coach, I was more curious about how good he is at developing rookies, especially a small-school rookie.

Crusader 04-30-2013 03:13 PM

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When developing a player it doesn't really matter if he is from a small school or a big one. You just need to assess where the player stands at the moment and work from there.

The most important thing is to find out how the kid learns best. Is he a visual, auditory or kinesthetic learner or a combination. The faster you figure that out and begin using the right method the faster the learning process will go.

TheOak 04-30-2013 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 499995)
When developing a player it doesn't really matter if he is from a small school or a big one. You just need to assess where the player stands at the moment and work from there.

The most important thing is to find out how the kid learns best. Is he a visual, auditory or kinesthetic learner or a combination. The faster you figure that out and begin using the right method the faster the learning process will go.

Is a smack on the back of the helmet and being jerked by the face mask visual, auditory, or kinesthetic?

Perhaps Pavlovian? :-)

Danno 04-30-2013 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 499995)
When developing a player it doesn't really matter if he is from a small school or a big one. You just need to assess where the player stands at the moment and work from there.

The most important thing is to find out how the kid learns best. Is he a visual, auditory or kinesthetic learner or a combination. The faster you figure that out and begin using the right method the faster the learning process will go.

Right, and apparently Morrone and Kromer were good at it. I don't know enough about Ingalls. I'm sure he's a great coach, but is he a great teacher?

Seer1 04-30-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 500004)
Right, and apparently Morrone and Kromer were good at it. I don't know enough about Ingalls. I'm sure he's a great coach, but is he a great teacher?


I don't think you can be one without being the other.

homerj07 04-30-2013 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 499956)
I think this guy had the best measurables of all the OT's at the combine, and was projected to go in the 2nd as the 6th best OT in the draft.

I don't know much about the new O-line coach. I know he has a good reputation, but I think if Marrone or Kromer were still here I think this cat would be our opening day LT.

I REALLY hope we don't miss Kromer. He was solid. Who is the new O- line coach?

saintsfan1976 04-30-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mutineer10 (Post 499988)
It's not like the pass protection was dramatically impressive last season - with Bushrod and Strief - and Brees' turnovers showed it. I'm all for this kid, but I'm gonna keep my expectations reasonable.

Kromer was a deer in headlights last year.

QBREES9 04-30-2013 08:16 PM

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No Pressure No Pressure.

The Dude 04-30-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 499990)
The "new" O-Line coach was the running backs coach when Kromer was the O-Line coach; It's not like he is coming in and gotta start from scratch...

In theory; we shouldn't miss a beat... In fact; Bret Ingalls has more coaching experience than Kromer ever thought about having

To play devils advocate I heard the exact same thing last year when Payton got suspended. "Kromer and Vitt have been around Payton and implementing his schemes so long and Carmichael was even calling the plays last year, there probably won't be much of a drop off "

Seer1 04-30-2013 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 500115)
To play devils advocate I heard the exact same thing last year when Payton got suspended. "Kromer and Vitt have been around Payton and implementing his schemes so long and Carmichael was even calling the plays last year, there probably won't be much of a drop off "

Yeah. What'd we know?

saintsfan1976 04-30-2013 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 500115)
To play devils advocate I heard the exact same thing last year when Payton got suspended. "Kromer and Vitt have been around Payton and implementing his schemes so long and Carmichael was even calling the plays last year, there probably won't be much of a drop off "

We learned just how important Payton was. Don't forget the addition of Spags and his system - the one players clearly didn't buy into .

WillSaints81 04-30-2013 09:02 PM

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i have to agree this is the only thing I am worried about next year.

hagan714 05-01-2013 05:40 AM

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all i want to see is his football smarts. i hope they are high to reduce the learning curve. he is a project but how much?

push this kid into the ground, ride his butt, force feed him whatever it takes to get a grip on how long this project will take.

burningmetal 05-01-2013 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 500004)
Right, and apparently Morrone and Kromer were good at it. I don't know enough about Ingalls. I'm sure he's a great coach, but is he a great teacher?

I should hope if he's a good coach, he's a good teacher. That's what a coach is. He's not going to call plays. I'm not worried about it, I've said many times that position coaches are largely overrated.

Everybody is wondering if we can replace Kromer, but when you look back, guys like Evans, Nicks, Stinchcomb, and Goodwin and Grubbs who have been our best linemen over the years were all established before the tenure of Kromer. Gotta have the players, as no coach is a miracle worker. Every position coach teaches the same basic principles. I'm sure the approach varies somewhat, but we still have our head coach. That's where all the brains come in.

Danno 05-01-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 500213)
I should hope if he's a good coach, he's a good teacher. That's what a coach is. He's not going to call plays. I'm not worried about. I've said many times that position coaches are largely overrated.

Everybody is wondering if we can replace Kromer, yet look at how Dennis Allen has fared in Oakland. Gotta have the players. Every position coach teaches the same basic principles. I'm sure the approach varies somewhat, but we still have our head coach. That's where all the brains come in.

I think thats mostly true, but you do have some coaches who are better teachers than coaches. Rick Venturi was a very highly respected position coach, or teacher. But when he became the defensive coordinator, he didn't fare so well.

I view coaching as a mix of teaching who you have and scheming based on what you have.

burningmetal 05-01-2013 08:25 AM

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Yeah, it is a mixed bag at times. Though I think some guys are just products of coaching good talent, and don't really stand out at any position they coach.

I edited my comment above. I don't think the Dennis Allen reference really drove home the point I wanted to make.

Joker 05-01-2013 11:43 AM

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According to NFL.COM, This guys weaknesses as they put it can be solved in the weight room and a little coaching. He was rated as the 6th overall tackle in the draft but by season end very well may be the best tackle of his class. IMO I think he will be the best tackle the Saint's have had since big Willie provided he does what he's supposed to do.

STRENGTHS
Armstead is a fantastic athlete for the position. He is light on his feet in pass protection, and nimble when on the move. Agile, moves well in space, shows the quickness to get to the second level and cut off linebackers. Has been asked to pull all the way across the line and has shown effectiveness in doing so. Bends and redirects well. Extends his arms to keep pass rushers at bay. Not overwhelmed by defensive twists and stunts. Does a good job of selling play fakes, draws, and screens.
WEAKNESSES
Needs to improve lower body strength. Can get bull rushed back. Faced sub-par competition. Needs to speed up hands, and be more consistent with his aiming point. Gets to the second level quickly, but will struggle to locate his target, gets lost in space. Will lunge at defenders with his head down in the run game.

The Dude 05-01-2013 04:14 PM

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Looks like all the negatives are coachable.

Seer1 05-01-2013 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 500138)
i have to agree this is the only thing I am worried about next year.

I'm more worried about the painkiller thing. Don't know which of the coaching staff was sleeping with rogger's wife, but I hope they've stopped.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Armstead starting before the season's out and hopefully not due to injuries.

saintsfan403 05-02-2013 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 500115)
To play devils advocate I heard the exact same thing last year when Payton got suspended. "Kromer and Vitt have been around Payton and implementing his schemes so long and Carmichael was even calling the plays last year, there probably won't be much of a drop off "

Well good thing SP is back


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