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The more I see the happier I am we got this kid. I just don't understand why he didn't get drafted in the first place. What deep dark secret/mistake is in his past or personality?

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Didn't he have a bad combine performance? That's the reason for going undrafted?

Could be a steal if he makes the team, I expect him to be battling for a starting OLB spot though...

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On another thread...

He had the slowest timed 40 at Indy in the OLB Group...

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he is a Clydesdale of LB in peoples book with limited upside or put another way a slow white kid that will not develop much more than what he is in college. lol

He ran a 4.87 at the combine and a 4.80 on pro day (Jordan 4.54 - Mingo 4.53 - Jones 4.88)

What you get is a smart player that goes at 110% all the time. that is rare and usually worth at least one or two tenths of a second in the forty. ok a tenth. Few chance of him getting caught starting of in the wrong direction but if he did:

ok now break down the glorious over hyped 40.

1.67 in the 10 yd split is solid ( Jordan 1.61 - Mingo 1.57- Jones 1.66)
2.77 in the 20 is good also ( Jordan 2.59 - Mingo 2.63- Jones 2.79)

they kid just does not have that elite gear in the final 20 but neither did Jones but he solid initial get up and go. Pass coverage is the area of concern against backs out the back field so strong side OLB is best suited were he has safety help over the top and the short side of the field.

But he is quick on his feet which is key for a LB and readjusting better than most of the OLB

Short Shuttle 4.31 ( Jordan 4.35 - Mingo 4.39- Jones 4.71)
3 cone drill 7.17 ( Jordan 7.02 - Mingo 6.84- Jones 7.46)

Explosion is fabulous
Vertical 32 ( Jordan 32.5- Mingo 37 - Jones 30.5)

all measurable which are are cute and nice but were it matters in my book on tape! that's were he shines.

Whats his issue. no upside or his floor is his ceiling. like i always say i hate upside but for him to undrafted is everyone else loss and our gain. I just think after the 5th round teams just over looked the kid and assumed they missed something with him.

He could easily be the steal of the draft. Now lets get him on the field and see him play at nfl speed. I am going out on limb here but i can see him calling the assignments and maybe just maybe making the switch to ILB. Yep the kid has the smarts to lead a defense.

Watch all the Stanford football you can they may have more defensive players draft in the first two days than you would think next year. I really like their system. one day they will have the offense and the defense at the same time and make a run for the championship. they are the best well rounded team in that high flying artsie fartsie offensive division they play in.

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The first thing I ask when scouting football players is...

What kind of "motor" does he have?

And with Chase Thomas, you have an All-Pro Motor...

That's why I wanted to draft him...

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he is the type of player that seems to be in the right place at the right time more than once or twice in the season that can determine a game. he just has that kind knack. it a tebow type of thing. i just had to go there :)

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YES! He had a so called bad combine, but his time of 4.91 "40" was the exact same as Jarvis Jones's proday 4.91! The difference that makes no sense is that Chase improved his time at his proday to 4.7ish and 4.8ish i don't know exactly what he ran at his proday but he said he improved between 4.7-4.8 on both his attempts! Jarvis Jones never even tried or had a chance to run faster so his time of 4.91 was his time of scout record!
The popularity of Jones along with his production had him only slide a few spots from top 10 to top 18! The only reason I can figure out why Chase's fall was so much farther and so mind boggling! Is one was judged differently and more critical on one 40 time over another's 40 time! I get why Jarvis was picked at a justified spot, but what I don't get is why Chase, with the worst scout evaluation of 5th rd but logically 2nd or 3rd rd gtade, Why did he fall so far over the same situation Jarvis fell but so big of a difference of a result! It was pure PUBLIC APPROVED DISCRIMINATION "unjust media garbage that boost public's image, monetary, popularity, power, and or advantage" It was all Selfish and plain ignorant analyst that RUN GM's responsibilities and actions because of fear of PUBLIC OPINION! It was all about Analyst boosting their self esteem by giving popular negativity or positivity, but either way when it isn't TRUE or isn't REALITY it sways people to either good or bad selfish opinions! So analyst have absolutely taking the scouts job because they "any media outlet" have the control of the people's opinion whether it's good or bad we follow popular opinion and most of the time we don't even care or want to know if it is true as long as we feel right or MAINLY OTHERS THINK WE ARE RIGHT!

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kinda like white men can not jump lol

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he's already better than shanle . i think he makes this team easy, his hustle will put him in the right place more then anything else going bad for him.

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Probably because Jones was playing in best conference college football has ever seen while Thomas was at Yale playing against the Ivy Leaguers. I hope he's a star, but I just don't see it right now.

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Like you can jump. LOL :love:

Hopefully his loss will be our gain. In any case, he has something to prove. :D

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He had good games against UCLA, Cal, Oregon State, Arizona, USC, and Notre Dame last year; not exactly Ivy leaguers...

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Teo had good games against a lot of overrated teams too.

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Doesn't mean anything, because you haven't seen either of them play in the NFL...

I was referring to the Ivy league comment...

Remember Johnathan Sullivan played in the best conference in college too...

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but Jones will get the benefit of the doubt because of where he played, and he deserves to. Jones dominated in the sec, Thomas didn't dominate period. He was just good.

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He dropped because in the year 2013, now, NFL scouts still haven't figured out the difference between workout speed, and game speed.

They also haven't figured out that speed is only part of being a good player.

Anyone remember a kid named Sedrick Hodge? Yeah, he was a LB from UNC who ran a 4.49. So the Saints drafted him... and he stunk. Production is what should matter, and to not draft this guy at all was pathetic on the part of all teams. I'm just glad we lucked out and got him as an UDFA.

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Sullivan was at Georgia and dominated and see what happened...

Thomas being a finalist for Defensive player of the year was a fluke because he went against lesser competition?

And what's it matter, Thomas is on our team, Jones is not...

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Chase Thomas actually played at Stanford which is Pac 12, not SEC, but not too shabby...

He had a tremendous game against a surging Notre Dame last season...

He's matched up and showed up against some pretty good talent since he was a Freshman which includes playing USC, Oregon among others...

And don't be surprised if he isn't one of your starting linebackers when going into the post-season...

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I'm stuck on Thomases right now as it's one of my names too. What was Zac Thomas' times in the 40, etc.?

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I see the makings of a very important POLL here: "How many times will Chase Thomas be called Chase Daniel?" "Will there be any negative effect?" "Will he be forced to wear #10 ala LB Brad Van Pelt?

I think the success of the upcoming season depends on the outcome of this poll!!!!

I heard the NFL Network was going to do one of those rookie shows with this theme!!


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the only time i jump any more is when the bladder calls

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There's some amazing comments in this thread.

Sure the measurables don't always mean a jot. I am totally on board with that. For anyone who isn't on board go on nfl.com and look at the top 10 performers for each position in the combine for the last 6 seasons. I guarantee the majority of players you will not even recognise!

I'm also quite high on this kid right now. Everything looks good and to pick him up as an Undrafted Free Agent is a real coup. The biggest reason for this is that he will cost hardly anything and is incredibly low risk which leads me to the main point ....

'The scouts of the NFL teams don't know what they are looking at...'

Oh come on. Sure every team makes mistakes and every team finds true gems but to make a carte blanche statement like that is ridiculous. I do not believe for one second that it was that glaringly obvious that an amazing player fell through 7 rounds and all 32 teams. There MUST have been something more than just the measurables that gave reason for this guy to fall through the draft.

I know we all have an opinion and that's what makes this board and sports in general brilliant! But really? We have a saying in England ... 'Everyone's a football manager'. Basically everyone can manage the England National Team better than whoever is managing it!

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love the highlight film. I am pulling for him this year, but if anything else he will make our staff better.

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Chuck Howly ran a 5.5. Sammy Knight wasn't exactly greased lightning and Vaughn Johnson probably never won a footrace in his life.

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Casillas ran 4.50 at combine with the low time of 4.42 - didn't exactly make him a game-changer for the Saints either.

If the 40 time is really the main reason why he went undrafted; I'm over the moon that the Saints were able to sign him as an UDFA.

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If I've got two players and I can't decide which one is better I'm taking the guy with the better physical intangibles. I.E. 40 time, bench press, position drills, all that good stuff, with the hopes that I can develop him into a monster.

Let's talk about Jimmy Graham. He was a horrible player at Miami. I watched him drop 3 straight TD passes (and he still drops passes now). He caught 17 passes, had 200+ yards and 5 TD's that year. That's pedestrian. He was drafted because of his intangibles. He was drafted because he was big; and he was drafted because he ran a 4.5. So for every person that was drafted because they were fast and it didn't work it, it's the same thing the other way around.

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Right now, before OTAs or minicamps have begun, I believe both Chase Thomas and Kevin Reddick will make the team.

Reddick is a better "athlete" in terms of measurables, and I think he will make it as a backup in the middle. Chase Thomas doesn't have anything much in the measurables department; but he just makes plays. I would be surprised if he didn't at least make the PS; he might make the 53 as an outside backer.