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TheOak 05-10-2013 08:08 AM

2013 Running Game concerns
 
Pierre Thomas - in six seasons with the Saints has stayed healthy enough to play 16 games for 1 season, and 2 15 game seasons.

Mark Ingram - Played 16 games for one if his two seasons.

Darren Sproles - Stays healthy for the most part but is not a ground and pound RB.

Tavaris Cadet - I do not see him as a ground and pound guy.

We carried extra running backs (Ivory) so we would have some sort of health overlap.

So the question is, how do we plan on having a 16 game 100 yard+ season with inconstancy in our RB health?

When PT or Ingram goes down we are not sitting so pretty in the running game... and they will go down.

lee909 05-10-2013 08:17 AM

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The rookie FA Alston looks a good back from the video I have seen.

Cruize 05-10-2013 09:03 AM

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Two things concern me about the running game. The ridiculous 1 play in and out rotation and the lack of commitment to the running game and a balanced approach on offense.

Kryptonite 05-10-2013 12:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 501977)
Two things concern me about the running game. The ridiculous 1 play in and out rotation and the lack of commitment to the running game and a balanced approach on offense.


I've always said that there isn't a back in the league that would thrive in our offense, because the commitment isn't there. Playing ever 4th or 5th play on offense doesn't cut it. Commit to a back and let's move on.

Seer1 05-10-2013 01:07 PM

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Still saying our defense will dictate our running game.

TheOak 05-10-2013 01:26 PM

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Why commit to 4.6 Yards per carry when you can get 12.3 per pass? We run just enough to keep them honest.

papz 05-10-2013 02:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 501954)
So the question is, how do we plan on having a 16 game 100 yard+ season with inconstancy in our RB health?

By treating 2013 as 2013. Even though they've had injuries in the past, doesn't make it a forgone conclusion that they'll be hurt again. Positive outlook my friend.

I believe this will be a big year for our backs. Sproles is going to be 2011 Sproles and Ingram will breakout as a 1,000 yard back. As for PT, he'll just continue to do what he does... produce when his number is called.

And if by some chance some gets knocked down, I take comfort in knowing that we do an excellent job scouting running backs that are left on the market.

TheOak 05-10-2013 02:29 PM

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Ive no negative outlook. I said they have yet to, not they cant...
The reality is that this is the first season since.. 2009? That we do not have a stable of RBs, and every year we gather when someone or the other goes down and say... "That's why Payton keeps a stable".

papz 05-10-2013 02:34 PM

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I mean we have 4. We typically kept one inactive anyways. I'm sure we'll stash someone on the PS or do that rotating door with our back up corners last season. We should be okay.

TheOak 05-10-2013 02:59 PM

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I agree we should be.. Out typical 4 of PT, Ivory, Ingram, Sproles was proven for the most part... Or at least we were familiar with their capabilities since they all had somewhat unique skill sets and purposes. I still think the loss of Ivory is going to be a little painful because out of all of them if we absolutely had to punch out 3 yards he would be the man I would give the ball to.

Rugby Saint II 05-10-2013 03:45 PM

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My concerns are numerous.

Swapping out a LT
DLP back slid a little last year.....I don't know if teams game planned against him or not
Our current RT is subpar in my book and needs to be replaced
All of our RTs are unproven and have question marks
We have a new O-line coach
We have a new RB coach
Our two best backs are getting older
Our "feature" back has been under achieving
Ivory is no longer a Saint

But we do have coach Payton back so I'm not worried. :cool:

Boutte 05-10-2013 05:26 PM

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Wish we still had Joique Bell.

homerj07 05-10-2013 08:18 PM

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I like the move.

Anyone with ANY chance of contributing to the team should be looked at

Rell&Gold 05-10-2013 10:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 502016)
Why commit to 4.6 Yards per carry when you can get 12.3 per pass? We run just enough to keep them honest.

That would be Great if we were avg 12.3 per pass

TheOak 05-11-2013 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 502147)
That would be Great if we were avg 12.3 per pass

We averaged 7.3 yards per attempt and our receiving corps ave 12.3 yards per catch.

dizzle88 05-11-2013 05:42 AM

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As great as a mastermind of the offense SP is, seeing ingram get a running play up the middle, get smacked at the line and then come to sideline after one play annoys the hell out of me

Like its been said, make a decision and stick with it, sure RB rotation is good but not every damn play!

hagan714 05-11-2013 06:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 502043)
My concerns are numerous.

Swapping out a LT
DLP back slid a little last year.....I don't know if teams game planned against him or not
Our current RT is subpar in my book and needs to be replaced
All of our RTs are unproven and have question marks
We have a new O-line coach
We have a new RB coach
Our two best backs are getting older
Our "feature" back has been under achieving
Ivory is no longer a Saint

But we do have coach Payton back so I'm not worried. :cool:

Yep i agree but i am putting our OC in the mix. he needs to bounce back from last year and get better.

I predict that no matter how productive Ingram is or is not we will have him stuffed down our throats because he is a number one pick. so somethings wont change.

PT will pace the side lines wonder why he is not in while still being the saints best back that fits this offense. maybe they save him for that playoff push? nah do not buy it

Ingram will once again be wasted because the saints did not address the OL to fit his style. His only hope is to get involved in the passing game and keep teams from stacking the box

The saints will once again pass for first on third short more than they will convert with the run game

halloween 65 05-11-2013 08:38 AM

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On a 4th and inches I sure will miss Ivory who could turn it in to a positive with the D knowing who gets it.

jeanpierre 05-11-2013 04:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 502043)
My concerns are numerous.

Swapping out a LT
DLP back slid a little last year.....I don't know if teams game planned against him or not
Our current RT is subpar in my book and needs to be replaced
All of our RTs are unproven and have question marks
We have a new O-line coach
We have a new RB coach
Our two best backs are getting older
Our "feature" back has been under achieving
Ivory is no longer a Saint

But we do have coach Payton back so I'm not worried. :cool:

There has to be a commitment and a rhythm to the running game - Carmichael still does not grasp this concept...

But I agree, with our offense, we need five (5) backs on the active roster - just in case a Seattle Scenario presents itself, again...

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 502183)
Ingram will once again be wasted because the saints did not address the OL to fit his style. His only hope is to get involved in the passing game and keep teams from stacking the box

The saints will once again pass for first on third short more than they will convert with the run game

The interior offensive line is fine, in fact, it is among the elite in both run and pass...

It's our Tackles that have not been up to par - but Armstead should help correct that and we have some nice battles setting up at Right Tackle...

Ingram needs to check his "tells" and work to gain the coaches' confidence in the passing game to be worthy of his first round pick - but I believe he's got the talent to do it...

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 502202)
On a 4th and inches I sure will miss Ivory who could turn it in to a positive with the D knowing who gets it.

I see comments about how injury-prone Ivory was and yet he did some of the toughest running - hoping Ingram can pick up the slack and bust some of those 20+yard back breaking runs...

jnormand 05-11-2013 05:02 PM

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I'm not really concerned about our RB rotation. I think with the loss of Ivory we are fine. The offensive line is the only question mark for me. Especially the tackles.

foreverfan 05-11-2013 05:37 PM

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Saints RBs need to be able to run an effective screen pass and pass protect.


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