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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Nope. What\'s your point? You\'ve been trying to lure me and people like Gator into an argument so you can prove we were all so biased about Brooks. Again, problem is, we didn\'t say things that LOTS of other people ...

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Old 09-22-2004, 01:59 PM   #21
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Nope. What\'s your point?

You\'ve been trying to lure me and people like Gator into an argument so you can prove we were all so biased about Brooks. Again, problem is, we didn\'t say things that LOTS of other people were saying or agreed with. You supported AB when it was not well warranted, now you\'re hoping I\'ll do the same... I won\'t. Deuce\'s play has been poor and he needs to step it up. Then again, so do the line and coaches.
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Old 09-22-2004, 02:16 PM   #22
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Nope. What\'s your point?
It\'s not my point...ask the person who made the original statement.

I\'m not trying to lure you or anyone else into anything. I\'m just curious to know where the dividing line is. Deuce hasn\'t been playing well...for a while...not just the last two games. Those so eager to bash Brooks (even when it wasn\'t warranted) and blame him for everything wrong with the team and insist management run him off etc etc appear to be going pretty easy on \'ol Deuce. I just wanna know why? nothing less that pure perfection will satisfy where Brooks is concerned but the moonshiners wanna give an exception for a guy who hasn\'t scored, period, since LAST NOVEMBER. Where did he rank in TD\'s scored last year and then tell me he\'s \"a top 10 back\". He sure doesn\'t look like much without T-Rex does he?

Deuce\'s play has been poor and he needs to step it up. Then again, so do the line and coaches.
It\'s the \"so do the line and coaches\" part that I\'m pointing too whodat. NEVER was there EVER any such disclaimer when Brooks was/is being bashed. Dropped passes and poor blocking up front are perfect examples. None of the \"moonshiners\" would even take a sniff of dropped passes or poor blocking where Brooks is concerned...not last year and not the year before...not ever. For me it\'s never been so much about defending Brooks as it has been about being fair.

Fair. Deuce has been stinkin\' it up for 7 games...at least...that\'s nearly half a season, and yet the excuses for his performance (no blocking -- how would he do on another team -- blame Brooks for his fumbles) continue. Agenda much? If you judge performance minus an agenda and you were screaming for Brooks\' head then you sure oughta be screamin\' for Deuce\'s now.

Personally, as you very well know, I like Deuce, but I also recognize the different set of standards Saints fans are holding him to. Agenda much?

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Old 09-22-2004, 04:25 PM   #23
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Yeah I think Terrel Smith was a big loss. Hey here again maybe we can get Rueben Mayes from Grambling State.
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Old 09-22-2004, 04:33 PM   #24
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Yeah I think Terrel Smith was a big loss. Hey here again maybe we can get Rueben Mayes from Grambling State.
I think we have a very capable FB in Karney. Of course no one would actually know that from the 3 series he\'s played in, and all three were quite successful I might add.
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Old 09-22-2004, 05:46 PM   #25
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10-6? Yeah right, sounds about as crazy as when it was said in May or June or July.
I\'m curious about how long before this team completely gives up on Haslett. Do we make it to the bye week? Do we even make it to 6-10? Are we playing for a top 5 pick in the draft at this point?

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Old 09-22-2004, 07:50 PM   #26
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Gee....I think you won\'t post one single thing, because there isn\'t anything. But You\'ll make some lame excuse anyway. It\'s noted
Note this Big Man. Read in this very article about how \"good\" our running game has been since mid-way through last year.

http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...e/sports-1/109 5747971324520.xml


You wanna talk about Deuce so you can take away from the fact Whodat and Myself saw this train coming off the tracks long ago AND YOU, Carpenter, Danno, and the others didn\'t. Then go right ahead. It means Squat.

Ummm, No. I wanna talk about Deuce \'cause he\'s been suckin pond water for nearly a year now and none of you moonshiners wanna acknowledge it. Get off Whodat\'s shirt tail and ask him what his prediction for the team was prior to the season. Ask him if that \"means squat\".

I like a player that plays up to his potential. If a guy can\'t do it, I\'m gonna gripe. If he does do it, then I\'ll love him.
Did you forget to comment or did you opt not to?

think its funny I have to come to a Saints fan site to hear that DEUCE is bad for this team and playing bad for the last sevens.
That was 7 games, not seasons...but then coming here and having to listen to someone call one of your favorite players out because he\'s not performing. Yup...now THERE\'s a new concept. :rollinglaugh:

EGO Hurt or just plain obsessed?
Ego? No, has nothing to do with it. I\'m dealing with the fact (key word) that Deuce isn\'t performing. Pretty simple from where I\'m standing. I\'m sorry you don\'t like me pickin\' on your boy, but even your savior, Whodat, will admit it. When will you?







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Old 09-22-2004, 07:57 PM   #27
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Ego? No, has nothing to do with it. I\'m dealing with the fact (key word) that Deuce isn\'t performing. Pretty simple from where I\'m standing. I\'m sorry you don\'t like me pickin\' on your boy, but even your savior, Whodat, will admit it. When will you?
Even if Deuce is stinking it up, it doesn\'t mean that Brooks doesn\'t blow.


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Old 09-22-2004, 08:39 PM   #28
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Whodat\'s Division Prediction:

5-1 in the division ain\'t bad.
Can you beleive he said that Gator? You should go back to this past SUMMER and read some of his post. I\'m tellin\' ya he was down right positive. Sorta like me and Carpenter and Danno and some others. LMAO
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This is such typical moonshiner babble.

All offseason all we heard from them was we didn\'t get player X or player Y. This teams play so far has had very little to do with players and a lot to do with coaching IMHO, And I\'ll even admit that maybe a FA LB should have been acquired. But with this staff I don\'t know if anything would be different now. We\'d still be 1-1.

I personally think its bad coaching, and I\'ve been highly critical of this staff so spare me that \"I told you so\" B*llSh*t because you didn\'t. Does your ego require pats on the back, or is it just insecurity?

I remember WhoDat and Gator saying \"I told you so \" last year after finishing 8-8, then a little research discovered they predicted 9-7 and 10-6 respectively. :P

Yeah, you told us so huh?

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Old 09-23-2004, 08:16 AM   #30
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Fair. Deuce has been stinkin\' it up for 7 games...at least...that\'s nearly half a season, and yet the excuses for his performance (no blocking -- how would he do on another team -- blame Brooks for his fumbles) continue. Agenda much?
I disagree with this whole heartedly. Certainly, the first two weeks this year he did not have Deuce type numbers. Now Saintfan, do you attribute this to Deuce, the O-line, the TEs, the system/play calling, or a combination thereof? I\'ve said I attribute it to a combination thereof.

Last year, it is very hard to say that he played poorly at the end of the season. In the last 4 games of the year the Saints faced 3 of the best run defenses in the league. To say, well Deuce only ran for 75 yards against Dallas shows how bad he\'s playing. EVERYONE ran for 75 yards against Dallas. That\'s not Deuce.

Most importantly, your logic is completely off. You cite my knocks on AB over a year ago when his play WAS QUESTIONABLE. You ignore the fact that I supported him for much of last year until the fumbles started to abound. Would YOU say AB played well in the second half of last season when he put balls on the ground more often than a bulldog with short hind legs?

Most importantly though, you talk about how terrible it is to judge Brooks so harshly, but then complain when I don\'t judge others the same way. What? So you\'d rather me be \"uniformly biased and skewed\"? That\'s ridiculous.

Here\'s an idea Saintfan - try this. Ask yourself if you think I judge the players and coaches of this team fairly without Brooks. If your answer is yes, then maybe, just maybe, there was some relevance to what I said in the past. Brooks is playing better. Congratulations, you must be very happy. If it keeps up, I will be. (And note that\'s a big IF and almost all of the media outlets in the country are saying that the only thing less consistent than the Saints is their QB - but you\'re right, it\'s an agenda with no merit). It\'s just a shame that you and Billy have been wrong about the coaches, team record, defense, and just about everything else. I understand why you\'re all over Brooks, you\'ve got nothing else to cling to.


I remember WhoDat and Gator saying \"I told you so \" last year after finishing 8-8, then a little research discovered they predicted 9-7 and 10-6 respectively.

Yeah, you told us so huh?
Yeah, I predicted 8-8 OR 9-7. I never settled last year. Wow, so I was either dead on, or close than anyone else. You got me! What was your prediction again? 11-5? Uh-huh.

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