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Old 09-23-2004, 09:49 AM   #31
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At the very least Whodat you peek around from behind your blinders from time to time, and for that I give you a bit of credit. See, the thing is in every breath, when folks here discuss Deuce\'s vanishing act, you all the \"yeah buts\", like, \"oh, well he didn\'t do well because of the other teams defense\", or, \"well, it\'s the scheme\", or \"see, they\'re not blocking good for Deuce\". Of course I know these things play a part.

When bashing Brooks, folks go so far as to blame him for the teams issues stopping the friggin\' screen pass. That is a very good example (and there are a least a thousand more) of how far the Brooks bashing has gone. You know that\'s true. Why even argue it?

More than simply saying Deuce sucks (because he doesn\'t) I\'m saying he hasn\'t played well lately. You can agree or disagree, but while you disagree you point to the reasons his play hasn\'t been up to par -- and those reasons never rest on the shoulder of the man failing to perform...and that\'d be Deuce. If the same standars are applied, then Deuce should simply overcome and perform. This is, afterall, what is expected of Brooks.

Why has it taken me so long to see people actually acknowledge poor line performance? Because now it affects Deuce. You guys fought me on ever dropped pass I pointed out...ya\'ll have been doing that for two years now. If you can\'t see the double standard now you never ever will.

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Old 09-23-2004, 12:16 PM   #32
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What is with all of you???!!! Deuce gets hurt and all you can do is talk about how this is a blessing in disguise,he\'s fumbling too much, he\'s not the same DEUCE! Have any of you stopped to realize that this IS the NFL and players,ALL players can fumble at any given time. ONe of his \"unacceptable\"TWO fumbles came on a hit where he took a real good shot in an awkward way and he laid the ball down,now i\'m sure you guys would have hung on to the ball... The real problem is no blocking ,no lanes,bad play calling!If your boss told you he expected maximum performance out of you and you knew based on your abilities and past performance that you would not excel,I guess you should keep it to yourself while everyone else blamed you too,huh?
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When bashing Brooks, folks go so far as to blame him for the teams issues stopping the friggin\' screen pass.
Folks do, I don\'t. I laughed at that just like you did. You insistance on lumping me in with the crazies simply because I disagree with you is puzzling and maddening, Saintfan.

You can agree or disagree, but while you disagree you point to the reasons his play hasn\'t been up to par -- and those reasons never rest on the shoulder of the man failing to perform...and that\'d be Deuce.
Actually, I did put the blame on Deuce, just no entirely. There is a difference between saying Deuce needs to step it up, but even if he\'s playing great I\'m not sure it would matter b/c our O-line seems inable to block anyone, and Aaron Brooks\' 3 fumbles and 1 INT lead to a Saints loss. AB needs to play more consistent and efficient football. Do you not see the difference?

I didn\'t fight you all that hard on dropped passes and acknowledged the problem by year end. I also acknowledge poor line play, although our line is SIGNIFICANTLY better in the passing game than it is trying to control the line on running plays. Do you disagree? Do you think Brooks has less time to set up and throw the ball than the AVERAGE NFL QB? I don\'t know if there are many other teams that give their QBs much more time than our line gives ours.

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Old 09-23-2004, 01:12 PM   #34
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You insistance on lumping me in with the crazies simply because I disagree with you is puzzling and maddening, Saintfan.
To be honest, the majority of what I\'m saying isn\'t being aimed at you. Your assistance was requested as I recall.

I didn\'t fight you all that hard on dropped passes and acknowledged the problem by year end.
This is true, and it did take you the better part of a year to see it. Why?

I also acknowledge poor line play, although our line is SIGNIFICANTLY better in the passing game than it is trying to control the line on running plays. Do you disagree?
Up to a point, yes, I do agree, but when I see the center getting run over and Brooks being forced to run immediately I recognize it. I\'ve screamed it from the highest mountain top. The moonshiners blow it off. Sometimes I think they\'re watchin\' a different game. [see 08\'s generally silly comments] LOL

I don\'t know if there are many other teams that give their QBs much more time than our line gives ours.
In general I think they do a decent job in pass protection, but they are VERY sporatic. You never know, from play to play, which one of \'em will blow their block.

Again, you seem to think my comments are directed at you. They are not...not specifically. Been thrown under any more buses lately? LMAO



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Old 09-23-2004, 02:13 PM   #35
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You insistance on lumping me in with the crazies simply because I disagree with you is puzzling and maddening, Saintfan.
The crazies? Tell us how you really feel WhoDat, I think you\'re blocking.

see 08\'s generally silly comments
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Honestly Saintfan, when has 08 ever been wrong? He\'s probably the best evaluator of QB talent on this board.

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Old 09-23-2004, 02:26 PM   #36
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Honestly Saintfan, when has 08 ever been wrong? He\'s probably the best evaluator of QB talent on this board.
I\'d like to think you\'re just being silly. I hope and pray that you are.

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Old 09-23-2004, 03:48 PM   #37
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If you were as good at avoiding the question as you think you are...oh what does it matter. You just like being mad. Sooner or later you\'ll start whining, as per your usual.

You DID make this statement tho :

I like a player that plays up to his potential. If a guy can\'t do it, I\'m gonna gripe. If he does do it, then I\'ll love him.
So is he playing up to his potential?

No assistance was ever asked for. Are we misleading readers now?
And please stop punting to Whodat. I know how he feels already. He\'s a handy crutch for sure, but lets hear what YOU have to say. I\'d more than happy to post a few recent posts if you really think it necessary.

You\'re trying to make a hypocrit out of Whodat b/c you think he\'s been unfair about Brooks.
When did this get focused on Whodat? Probably when you decided to let him answer for you. Anyway, stand on your own two feet big boy. Has Deuce been playin\' up to his potential?

But when I\'m insulted I\'m gonna bring it up.
I don\'t recall you being insulted, but you\'d bring it up anyway...at any and every oppurtunity. LMAO

I agree with Whodat on this point: You\'re simply trying to discredit the 2 guys that have predicted how this team has played more accurately FOR WHATEVER REASON, than yourself. Like I said, this is an ego driven witch hunt.
You call people out regularly Gator. Funny how my asking you whether or not Deuce is playing up to his potential is classified as a witch hunt.

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4) Danno, you\'re wrong! I said 9-7 last year not 10-6. Still closer than most. I don\'t need credit for it man. But when I\'m insulted I\'m gonna bring it up.
Funny, I looked it up and I don\'t believe I was wrong at all.
http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...e=2&orderdate=

If the link doesn\'t work here\'s the statement by Gator...

SO IF YOU READ INCORRECTLY, WHICH SOME OF YOU DID THEN YOU\'D ASSUME I SAID 9-7. I DID NOT SAY THAT. I SAID 10-6. MY FIANCE PICKED 9-7 AND I BELIEVE SHE IS VERY LUCKY. SO HER PREDICTION IS MORE LIKELY TO COME TRUE AS TO MINE SOLELY BASED ON HER PREVIOUS LUCKY PREDICTIONS.

Got it! Ok, geez you guys are gunning down an innocent man here.
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