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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Crusader I bet the Packers thought the same after Favre retired. Or the 49ers after Montana... You're right 2 teams out of 46+ years of football had superstars replace superstars. What was I thinking....

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Old 05-30-2013, 04:23 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by Crusader View Post
I bet the Packers thought the same after Favre retired. Or the 49ers after Montana...
You're right 2 teams out of 46+ years of football had superstars replace superstars.
What was I thinking.
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Old 05-30-2013, 08:03 PM   #22
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I look at the top 10 QB's in this league and nearly every one started year 1 or 2.

5 years is way too long.
Wikipedia, ProFootball Reference, research it for yourself...

Point is, it's not unheard of...

And so what if we groom a backup now and Drew were to play five more years, if it's Griffin and year 5 Drew retires and he's ready to roll, then that's the way it is...
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Former Tulane QB Griffin happy to get chance with Saints

METAIRIE, La. — Ryan Griffin won’t venture to guess what the New Orleans Saints have planned for him.

But one thing Griffin, the former Tulane quarterback, can say is that he knows he’s in a good situation.

“I’m just happy to be here,” Griffin said. “Every day is a blessing. As an undrafted free agent, you don’t always have anything guaranteed. I’m just happy to be here and every day I appreciate it.”

His situation with New Orleans should be aided by the fact he was coached this past season by Curtis Johnson, a former Saints assistant coach who brought Sean Payton’s offense with him to Uptown.

In 2012, Griffin completed 62.2 percent of his passes for 2,771 yards and recorded 20 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He averaged 307.9 yards passing per game.

So far, Griffin says everything is pretty similar.

“I’d say about 90 percent of it is the same,” Griffin said. “And a lot of the terminology is the same, which is probably the biggest part because everybody runs the same concepts.”

That’s where Payton believes Griffin is different from a typical first-year rookie quarterback. It also should put him, at least from an offensive knowledge standpoint, ahead of Seneca Wallace, who signed with the Saints this offseason, and on par with Luke McCown. In the fight for the backup role.

“It’s noticeably different than maybe most first-year quarterbacks coming in and trying to pick things up right away,” Payton said of Griffin’s understanding of the offense. “You know, there’s a lot of things that are familiar. That’s a big plus for him.”

Griffin said that knowledge has helped him think less and act quicker.

“It’s always best to go out there and not have to think because you play faster and you play looser and you play better,” Griffin said. “It definitely helps and I’m just happy to have that opportunity.”

In the past, they’ve kept projects like Griffin on the practice squad or brought one on and off the roster a la Sean Canfield.

That said, Griffin – a four-year starter at Tulane – isn’t worried about just what the Saints have planned for him.

“I’m not here to judge my play and future,” Griffin said. “I’m just here to work hard and make my best with every play and rep I get.”

Former Tulane QB Griffin happy to get chance with Saints | wwltv.com New Orleans
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Old 05-31-2013, 07:32 AM   #24
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“I’m just happy to be here,” Griffin said. “Every day is a blessing. As an undrafted free agent, you don’t always have anything guaranteed. I’m just happy to be here and every day I appreciate it.”
Pretty much why in 3 years when his rookie contract is up he will stay. "IF" he turns out worth keeping the below will be the process.

Here is Griffins process.. I know I am reaching a bit but this could also be considered a perfect storm: He is a Saint for three years, when his next contract comes up he only has 2 years to be the starting QB for the New Orleans Saints. He will hang around, there will be a little bit of loyalty involved because New Orleans was the team willing to give him a shot. You also have a QB that was passed over completely in the draft and will have a chip on his shoulder. Does this remind you of anyone? Arguable the top two QBs in the league, Brady and Brees had similar situations. Brady was passed over by nearly every team in the draft nearly 6 times (almost didnt get drafted), Brees had to deal with the "I may never play the game again" scenario which is just like not being drafted for a rookie.

What attributes make a good QB great (if they have the mechanics)? Work ethic and drive. Now I am not a believer that a backup watching a great QB play on the field give him much after the first year, but if Griffin learns and develops Drew's work ethic and drive and puts in the personal hours he could possibly become great.

Scouting reports do not chow any bad mechanics, only under sized (remind you of anyone?) And lacks some arm strength which can be improved upon.
.5" height difference and 4 lb difference. (There is a reason Sean Payton wanted him.



Ryan Griffins scouting report:

Positive: Undersized but accurate passer who does the little things well. Patient in the pocket, buys time for receivers, and works to make positive plays. Looks off the safety, quickly locates the open receiver, and puts touch on throws. Stands in against the rush taking a big hit in order to get the pass away. Has the ability to get outside the pocket and make throws on the move.
Negative: Does not have the arm strength necessary to power the ball through the tight windows and is often high of the mark when he attempts to put extra speed on throws. Replaced during the season due to ineffectiveness.
Analysis: Griffin was a solid college quarterback but lacks the size and arm strength to play at the next level. The ability to make the throw on the move or improvise when plays break down could help him catch on as a third quarterback for a West Coast or pistol offense.

Tom Bradys Scouting Report:
Tom Brady Positives: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader.
Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Ended the '99 season weighing 195 pounds and still looks like a rail at 211. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.
Summary: Is not what you're looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone.

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Wikipedia, ProFootball Reference, research it for yourself...

Point is, it's not unheard of...

And so what if we groom a backup now and Drew were to play five more years, if it's Griffin and year 5 Drew retires and he's ready to roll, then that's the way it is...
My point was Griffin isn't likely gonna sit for 5 years. A few good preseasons and some QB hungry teams are gonna throw money at him just like they did Chase.

Its possible that he develops into a Drew Brees type elite QB, but not likely.

Its possible that if he does develop he'll sit a couple extra years earning pennies, but its not likely.

I just don't see a QB in the league that has done it, and can't remember one doing it in the last 20 years.
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My point was Griffin isn't likely gonna sit for 5 years. A few good preseasons and some QB hungry teams are gonna throw money at him just like they did Chase.

Its possible that he develops into a Drew Brees type elite QB, but not likely.

Its possible that if he does develop he'll sit a couple extra years earning pennies, but its not likely.

I just don't see a QB in the league that has done it, and can't remember one doing it in the last 20 years.
Well.... There is 1 and from my digging only 1, but you will have to go back 21 years.
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Steve Young sat behind Montana for 5 years before Montana got hurt. if you look at all the years Steve played before he got his starting shot in his 8th season he started an entire 16 games.

Young was in TB 85/86 then went to SF in 87 and basically sat until Montana was hurt in 1990
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Ryan Griffin is a spare tire... Nothing more.
In 4 years we'll find a suitable replacement for Drew. No need to "groom" QB's anymore for the guys we've seen in the past few years
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Ryan Griffin is a spare tire... Nothing more.
In 4 years we'll find a suitable replacement for Drew. No need to "groom" QB's anymore for the guys we've seen in the past few years
Montana's career ending injury is every reason to always have someone ready to take the field and be able to win. We are a team that is heavily dependent on a good passing QB.

Do you want to be 9-3 and have the only viable QB on the team go down?
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Montana's career ending injury is every reason to always have someone ready to take the field and be able to win. We are a team that is heavily dependent on a good passing QB.

Do you want to be 9-3 and have the only viable QB on the team go down?
Which is why our #2 QB is probably going to be either McCown or Wallace.

I'm thinking Ryan gets cut and signed to the practice squad, where he'll remain a couple years.

Drews replacement, barring a freak injury, is still playing high school football.
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