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saintfan 09-21-2004 10:24 AM

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http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...7971324520.xml

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The injury comes at a time when the running game was struggling to muster yards even with McAllister in the backfield.
Yeah, but, he's not getting any blocking.

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After two games, the Saints rank 31st in rushing offense...
Yeah, but, he's not getting any blocking.

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The Saints ranked 11th in rushing last season, averaging 125 yards per game.
Deuce is a top 10 back tho. ;)

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After McAllister set a club record with nine consecutive 100-yard rushing games, the Saints have gone six straight games without a 100-yard rusher.
Yeah, but, he's not getting any blocking.

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They have not scored a rushing touchdown since a 33-20 loss at Philadelphia in Game 11 of last season, a span of seven games.
Ummm...Brooks throws the ball too much.

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The stretch of games without a 100-yard rusher is the longest for the Saints since the end of the 2000 season
Ummm...yeah, but he's not getting any blocking.

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So far this season, the Saints have not had a runner make a gain of more than 20 yards.
See, he's not getting any blocking.

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JOESAM2002 09-21-2004 01:30 PM

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I agree the blocking sux!

WhoDat 09-21-2004 02:07 PM

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OK - so let me get this straight - your argument then, if you can put aside the sarcasm, is that our offensive line is opening holes well, the play calling is good, and the problem is simply that Deuce isn\'t performing. Is that correct? Deuce is THE problem, or at least the MAJOR problem with the running game. That\'s your claim?

saintfan 09-21-2004 02:13 PM

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I\'m not really making an \"argument\" whodat. Nice try tho.

The thing I\'m saying (a bit sarcastically I admit) is that I\'m noticing folks come to Deuce\'s defense and make excuse after excuse for him. I find that a bit strange...or at least a tad hypocritical. You don\'t?

WhoDat 09-21-2004 02:19 PM

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Not in the least. First of all, most of us admit that Deuce is not playing up to his potential right now. Part of that is Deuce. Part of that is coaching. Part of that is a porous O-line.

I\'m interested as to how you can rush to the defense of a young QB whose numbers put him in the middle of the league and whose sporatic play is a source of constant frustration for even teammates and coaches, but you are unwilling to place blame on anyone other than you star Pro Bowl RB, whose has consistently proven his worth for a number of years, and after a coaching decision changed the system in which he thrived. Maybe you can explain that to me. ;)

saintfan 09-21-2004 02:22 PM

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Whatchu rekon you\'d say if Brooks had failed to throw a TD since LAST NOVEMBER?

WhoDat 09-21-2004 02:31 PM

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I guess that depends on why he hadn\'t thrown one - most probably, I\'d go back the same argument I\'ve used on Brooks for a long time - not the right system. Amazingly, that\'s the same argument I\'m using with Deuce! :o

We can make this very simple if you want. Answer a few questions for me.

Over the last two or three seasons, who has been the Saints MVP?

Who was the MVP coming into this season?

Who is the MVP now? this season? long-term?

How many teams would trade their RB straight up for Deuce? How many would trade their QB straight up for Brooks?


You\'re trying to show bias here Saintfan. That\'s fine, you\'ve been doing that for a while. Problem is, I\'ve been real fair to AB for a long time. Maybe if you were right about Deuce or Brooks you\'d have a leg to stand on... too bad. :cool:

saintfan 09-21-2004 03:01 PM

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What good is Deuce if he can\'t even rush for a hundred frappin\' yards and doesn\'t score TD\'s?

MVP schim VP is what I say. And since he needs his Full Back, I guess we\'d have to give the MVP award to t-rex now wouldn\'t we?

saintfan 09-21-2004 03:03 PM

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I guess that depends on why he hadn\'t thrown one
and if the reason were dropped passes -- those very passes that were dropped that you and the other moonshiners refused to acknowledge when I was screaming about it?

Double-Standard if ever I saw on baby. :P

saintfan 09-21-2004 03:04 PM

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How many teams would trade their RB straight up for Deuce? How many would trade their QB straight up for Brooks?
I don\'t know. But then neither do you.

saintz08 09-21-2004 04:31 PM

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How about :

Brooks inability to run the offense properly ( making plays up in the huddle and missing wide open receivers ) requires Mc Carthy to alter the game plan virtually eliminating the rushing game ......

Being down 21 - 7 going into the 4th quarter does not leave a whole lot of room for a clock consuming rushing game .... ;)

Seattle 0 14 7 0 21
New Orleans 0 7 0 0 7


[Edited on 21/9/2004 by saintz08]

dberce1 09-21-2004 04:38 PM

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I never thought we\'d steep to Deuce bashing, sorry day indeed.

saintfan 09-21-2004 05:09 PM

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Brooks inability to run the offense properly
Ummm, at this point 08 Brooks is nearly the only player who\'s name can be used in the same sentence with the word \"properly\". One thing\'s for sure, and that\'s that Deuce\'s name doesn\'t qualify.

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WhoDat 09-21-2004 06:17 PM

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Poor poor Saintfan. Can\'t even come up with a good argument... a sad day indeed.

Let\'s get back to that fumble debate. I think we left of at Brooks-4, Deuce-2. Who sucks more again?!?! LMAO!

ssmitty 09-21-2004 06:19 PM

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the saints stink? compared to who gator? we\'re 1-1...........
and the beat goes on, and the beat goes on.............
i\'ll take any and all bets that the saints will make the playoffs...
any takers?
smitty

BlackandBlue 09-21-2004 06:20 PM

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Holy Crap!!!! Look who came out the woodwork!!!
Long time, no see, smitty.

ssmitty 09-21-2004 06:28 PM

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b&b, posted before, but went generally unnoticed. the real question is, do we look bad? yes, we do..........are we that bad? 14 more to go.
time will tell.................good to see, ahhh, hear a reply, your friend,
smitty

WhoDat 09-21-2004 06:36 PM

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any takers?

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding... what you got big talker? I sure hope its money b/c I\'m ready to take it.

CheramieIII 09-21-2004 06:46 PM

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Ok who\'s gonna hold all the bet\'s because I want some of this action?

saintz08 09-21-2004 07:22 PM

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Ummm, at this point 08 Brooks is nearly the only player who\'s name can be used in the same sentence with the word \"properly\". One thing\'s for sure, and that\'s that Deuce\'s name doesn\'t qualify.
I would hope so since he seems to be the one making plays up in his head ......

I would hope he could correctly execute a play he made up ..... ;)

saintfan 09-21-2004 07:27 PM

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The Saints Stink. You were wrong about this team Saintsfan.
How was I wrong. Please explain. About Brooks? Ohhhh yeaaaa, NOW I remember. ;)

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Poor poor Saintfan. Can\'t even come up with a good argument... a sad day indeed.
People who know me -- those who have been around this site for a while -- know what my real intention is. I guess I just don\'t inderstand what part of no hundred yard games...no TD\'s, no long runs, etc, etc you just don\'t get.

ssmitty 09-22-2004 04:32 AM

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name the price wd, and you\'re on.............smitty

WhoDat 09-22-2004 11:44 AM

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Well - given this team\'s multiple personality disorder and the time left in the season.... I\'d say a benjamin. Another game or two and I might be willing to put up much more than that.... or not.... depends on their play.

spkb25 09-22-2004 07:18 PM

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im not going to listen to how deuce sucks because thats just silly. the problem is without a doubt the fullback issue. bro u cant run a single back set and not have it live off the pass. it has to live off the pass because u have to run a lot of draws. more then usual. not every play. but u would almost certainly have to throw the ball from the start to set the run up in a one back set. simple as that.
n that brings me to my next point. i dont understand with all of the talent at wr and te why we r a run it first team. we can still run the ball 25 times a game and be a throw it first offense. and we need to be. the focus of this team is ridiculous. im tires of hearing how our run should set up everything. it shouldnt. our pass shouldnt open up our run.

also when a guy rushes for over 1600 yards in a season in the nfl. which has 32 teams n hes top 5 or 8 thats pretty significant. never mind who he is off the field. im just a deuce fan i guess because he just has that rare ability to be great on the field and off.

BrooksMustGo 09-22-2004 07:40 PM

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The real question is whether Deuce \"owned the linebackers with his eyes.\"

:kerry:

[Edited on 23/9/2004 by BrooksMustGo]

BlackandBlue 09-22-2004 08:07 PM

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The real question is whether Deuce \"owned the linebackers with his eyes.\"
LOL

subguy 09-22-2004 10:15 PM

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:doh:

ssmitty 09-22-2004 10:27 PM

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i\'ll take that bet, just confirm..........a gentlemen\'s wager....smitty

WhoDat 09-23-2004 07:59 AM

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im not going to listen to how deuce sucks because thats just silly. the problem is without a doubt the fullback issue. bro u cant run a single back set and not have it live off the pass....

that brings me to my next point. i dont understand with all of the talent at wr and te why we r a run it first team. we can still run the ball 25 times a game and be a throw it first offense. and we need to be. the focus of this team is ridiculous. im tires of hearing how our run should set up everything. it shouldnt. our pass shouldnt open up our run.
Amen. I\'ve said this before and no one listened. Good to see someone else gets it. ;)


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a gentlemen\'s wager
punanny.

BlackandBlue 09-23-2004 08:04 AM

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Amen. I\'ve said this before and no one listened. Good to see someone else gets it.
I think I\'ve gotta few more cookies here, but I don\'t reward them for the obvious :P

ssmitty 09-23-2004 04:37 PM

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the choice is yours, if you want a better bet, speak your mind.
if you want a puny bet confirm either way.
that means in my mind, (yes, smitty we have a bet)
if you\'d like to hold the money, just tell me where to send it.......
hope that\'s simple enough........
oh, if you\'d like an e-mail address to confirm, it is, smittyhold@aol.com
smitty

WhoDat 09-24-2004 08:28 AM

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we\'re on!

ssmitty 09-25-2004 03:50 AM

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finally, a simple answer to a simple question.......thanks, smitty


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