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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Last year - 0-4 in the last four while chasing a playoff spot; gave up 160 points. This year, loss to 3-10 team. Loss to 1-13 team. Losing to Carolina is not only possible, it's probable. You cannot do that ...

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Old 12-22-2002, 03:29 PM   #1
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Last year - 0-4 in the last four while chasing a playoff spot; gave up 160 points.

This year, loss to 3-10 team. Loss to 1-13 team. Losing to Carolina is not only possible, it's probable. You cannot do that in Decemeber.

Obviously Venturi needs to be fired and never spoken to again. In my opinion, Haslett should go with him IF this team doesn't make the playoffs this year. Go hire Raw Lewis, bring Mora back, who cares just give me a guy who has a chance of winning in Decemeber.

I am physically sick right now. Brooks - three fumbles, ten or so passes that SHOULD have been intercepted, he fell down on one play, ran on another when he had no business running. 0-4 in the last series.

Our defense allow 240 yards of rushing. We gained 36 yards on the ground against the 30th ranked run defense. Three trips to the red zone netted us -12 yards of total offense, two field goals and a missed field goal. A no name back up runningback on the worst team in football absolutely ran over our best defensive end (Howard) on a goal line situation and pushed him three yards into the end zone before flat backing him when the game and playoffs were on the line.

Keep the O-line, keep Horn, Stallworth, Pathon, Deuce, Michael Lewis, Fred McAfee, Sammy Knight, Dale Carter, and Fred Thomas. Every one else on this team should go, including the coaches.

If I remember correctly, New York holds the tie breaker over us. That means we are out unless they lose to Philly and we beat the Panthers. This team does not deserve a playoff spot. New York deserves it with what they have done this year. We don't. I hope for our sake we don't make the playoffs, b/c we'll be embarrassed by whoever we play in the firt round. But then again, it doesn't get much more embarrasssing than today.
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Old 12-22-2002, 03:34 PM   #2
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I would never pull for the Saints to lose. But let\'s face it, this team is no where ready to face the top teams in the league. The best that this current Saints team will do is \"one and done\" IF they make it to the dance.

Consider:

- Over last two years the Saints have tanked over the last four games of the year (Just as \"WhoDat stated\".
- Once again we must wonder if Haslett has LOST his team in an importannt stretch run.
- Where is the emotion, on field leadership?
- Btw, Carolina ran up 50 on this same Cincy team not long ago. Next week will be VERY difficult.


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Buddy D, Coach Haslett, post here ============>

[Edited on 22/12/2002 by DATMAN]

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Old 12-22-2002, 03:41 PM   #3
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Sure the defense gave up alot of yards in this game but the this loss definitley hangs on the offense. We are given the ball at least 4 times in great field position and can\'t do anything with it. This failure to score after being handed great field position all these times will deject any defense. We held them to only 7 points for mosty of this game so it was there for the offense, and Brooks to do something with it. I didn\'t think Brooks could play any worse but he proved he has worse games in his bag. I truly think that a change at QB for the second half would have resulted in a win. Haslett gets the blame for not realizing this.
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Old 12-22-2002, 03:50 PM   #4
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I heard Haslett\'s interview on the radio in which his first statement was, \"This wasn\'t us.\" Oh, really? Then who was it, Jim? It wasn\'t you last week either. Or the week before that when you damn near lost to Baltimore. Too bad you and that team that wasn\'t \"us\" couldn\'t play Tampa Bay every week.
The problem is the Saints don\'t have a \"killer-instinct\". They have a \"who-brought-me-here\" instinct.
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Old 12-22-2002, 04:00 PM   #5
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Yep, that genuinely sucked. I have been a Brooks fan from day one. But next week the Saints need to start Jake. They need to light a fire under Brooks. Yeah, I couldn\'t do any better than him, but look at his paycheck compared to mine.
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Old 12-22-2002, 04:13 PM   #6
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And another thing.... It seems that when it matters most, everyone (including teams that seemingly have nothing to play for) plays harder than the Saints do. Name me any team who\'s season is over (Cincy, Carolina, Detroit... even Phoenix) and I assure you that they are playing harder than the Saints are right now.

How is it possible that two years in a row, a team that is in the heat of playoff contention acts like they don\'t want to get there. Keep in mind that there was the big off season \"house cleaning\" to get rid the so-called problem players. Now what is the excuse???

It\'s obvious that last year\'s collapse was no fluke. Patiently awaiting answers


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[Edited on 22/12/2002 by DATMAN]

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Old 12-22-2002, 04:59 PM   #7
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Maybe it\'s time to look at the Head Coach. I blame him for this loss and for not keeping the team focused. That\'s were the problem lies people. The Saints have more talent than they have ever had in the history of this fanchise. Yet the coaches are 2nd rate at best. And just don\'t know how to win consistantly. And I thought 2 years ago that maybe we had found a coach. But i\'m not so sure now.
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Old 12-22-2002, 05:14 PM   #8
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That\'s an excellent point Datman. Whose fault is it now? Last year they blamed injuries and a locker room that was divided with talk of Willie Roaf\'s wife and kid and all that other crap.

What\'s the problem now? Our defense isn\'t missing a sing;e \"starter.\" Our offense is playing with Deuce at 85% (according to him, but then again he\'s played great more hurt than he is now), and Brooks with a shoulder injury. Otherwise, they\'er all there too.

Obviously Venturi\'s defense has sucked all season. McCarthy\'s offense has sputtered a lot in the last month or so, and been absolutely terrible in the red zone the second half of the season. It is on Haslett to keep his team focused, and to find the right coaches and oversee their gameplans and schemes.

I never thought I would say this, but Haslett might not be the right guy. Look at the front office changes after last season. They lost or got rid of Randy Mueller and Ron Zook. Mueller was the second best GM in Saints history behind on the late great Jim Finks. Zook was the best \"position\" coach they had on the team.

I\'ve said all year, this defense is not lacking enough talent to be this bad. Have you seen the offense in the last month?! When they get in the red zone it\'s like some one threw a switch and turned off their ability to gain yards. In the opening drive they probably didn\'t have a single play that gained less than five yards, except for the to Deuce dive plays to pick up 1 yard for a first. Then they get in the red zone and on three plays they manage to lose 7 yards. Unbelievable. Coaching, coaching, coaching.


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One other thing, youhave to wonder about Benson. After all, it was Benson\'s decision to get rid of Mueller. A decision I still don\'t understand. Ultimately, it\'s Benson\'s responsibility to get the right GM, and top level coaches.
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Old 12-22-2002, 05:54 PM   #10
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The whole sideline looked lost throughout the game. There is absolutely no leadership nor confidence from the leadership positions......QB and MLB and coaches.
All the teams know that Aaron Brooks is staying in the back of the pocket and his feet are happier than Jim Everett\'s ever were. Again, he is constantly backpeddling and throwing off his back foot. Today he couldn\'t even hold on to the ball. He has definitely lost his confidence and focus. When he is playing at 75% his potential he is better than Jake, but he is not playing at 10% and the defense cannot constantly make the same plays as the Dome Patrol of the early 90s. The offense has the weapons, but no longer has the trigger (QB) to fire them. Jake would have made a difference in the game today.
I believe the Eagles will beat the Giants next Saturday and set up a showdown in the Dome for the final playoff spot in the NFC. If Brooks starts and plays the entire game, we will lose miserably. If Jake starts, we will win and the defense will play miraculously better. The coaches have just not realized that Jake is the better QB at this time and more importantly the better leader. He can inspire confidence in the rest of the team and they will rise to another level of play. That is really all it will take to bring this team back to life. Stay with Brooks and well.............it will be a long winter for the fans, the team, the coaching staff, the front office and the owner.
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