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Crusader 06-13-2013 06:54 AM

New Orleans Saints can easily overcome loss of Victor Butler
 
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By Jeff Duncan, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune
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on June 12, 2013 at 9:51 PM, updated June 13, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Take a deep breath, Saints fans. It's going to be OK. Victor Butler's injury will not derail the Saints' season.

I wasn't as high on Butler as colleague Mike Triplett. While I see Butler's season-ending knee injury as certainly a blow to the Saints' defense, I think it's far from a "devastating" one. The Saints have enough depth to withstand the impact of his loss and enough time to plan to compensate for it.


First of all, let's set the record straight: Butler was far from dominant player. Sure, he was a solid addition, a veteran player in his prime who was penciled in to start at strongside linebacker. But I don't think anyone in Saints camp saw him as a difference maker.

After all, if Butler were such a force, he'd have been tried at the Jack linebacker spot instead of the strongside position. As I wrote last week, the Jack is the glamor position in the 3-4 scheme. It's the play-making spot. New defensive coordinator Rob Ryan knows Butler well from their time together in Dallas. If he felt Butler was the best pass rusher on the defense he'd have had him at Jack instead of Will Smith and Junior Galette, the two guys who were seeing the majority of snaps at the Jack.

Moreover, the Saints weren't paying Butler to be a major player. Butler signed a two-year deal that would pay him a maximum of $3 million in that span. That's bargain-basement compensation for a starting outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme. If the Saints or anyone else felt he was a difference maker he'd have earned a much more lucrative deal on the open market.

And third, his statistics were only modest with Dallas. He never had more than three sacks in a season and didn't make a dent in the two games he started, totaling two tackles and zero sacks in more than 90 snaps. In fact, his totals of 25 tackles and three sacks in 289 snaps last season were roughly the same as Galette's numbers (21 tackles, five sacks) in 298 snaps. The difference: Galette was credited with about twice as many quarterback pressures.


Here's how colleague Calvin Watkins of ESPNDallas.com evaluated Butler's four-year tenure in Dallas:

"The Cowboys had hopes their fourth-round pick (110th overall, 2009) would contribute on special teams and provide solid pass-rush skills. Butler was inconsistent with the Cowboys, and after visiting at least four NFL teams this offseason, he found a home with the Saints. Butler has potential but needs to solve the inconsistency problems."

Another longtime Cowboys observer, Jean-Jacques Taylor, called Butler "another wasted draft pick" after he played just three snaps in a 38-31 loss to Washington in Week 11:

"Victor Butler, who has shown an ability to rush the passer this season, had his most limited playing time of the season. At a time when a young player such as Butler should be pressing for playing time, his keeps getting reduced. Yet another unproductive draft pick."

None of this to disparage Butler, who was allowed to walk in Dallas largely because of the Cowboys' decision to switch to a 4-3 scheme under Monte Kiffin.


But it's also to lend a dose of perspective. Butler's loss is significant. But let's not get carried away here. This isn't Terrell Suggs or Elvis Dumervil we're talking about.

I expect Martez Wilson or even Will Smith to slide into Butler's spot without much if any dropoff in production. Behind them, look for Ramon Humber or one of the newcomers Baraka Atkins, Rufus Johnson and Chase Thomas to vie for playing time. Whichever one emerges in training camp will likely earn the fourth roster spot at outside linebacker. Regardless, the Saints will be fine.

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hagan714 06-13-2013 07:12 AM

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easily overcome ? makes the lb corp less flexible

Crusader 06-13-2013 08:32 AM

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So does every injury to every position group. Still the sky isn't falling.

Euphoria 06-13-2013 08:37 AM

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Define depth.

Worse D in the league has depth?

SaintnDE 06-13-2013 08:40 AM

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that's some good data there.

Lord_Saint83 06-13-2013 08:53 AM

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I thought the mini camp and ota's didnt mean too much that training camp and preseason was the deciding factor. Why is he taking such a dump on butler basically calling him a scrub player. A few teams didnt think so and neither did us. Im not saying he was gonna be demarcus ware but just never got his time to shine over ware and spencer. I do think we will be ok but no need to crap on him though.


The end is nigh

SAINTstunna 06-13-2013 08:58 AM

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I REALLY was anxious to see what BUTLER could bring to the table . . with more playing time and EXPERIENCE with the 3-4 scheme . . . . there is no way his numbers weren't going to climb . . . don't leave out his CONFIDENCE ! ! !! I think he would have been a DIFFERENCE MAKER . .. . but now its time for the next man to step up and . .. . DO HIS JOB (SEAN PAYTON VOICE) . . . .. LOL WHO DATT! !!!!!

TheOak 06-13-2013 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 507950)
Define depth.

Worse D in the league has depth?

OK

Depth - The extent, measurement, or dimension downward, backward, or inward.

Depth has zero to do with talent.

Talent -
A unit of value equal to the value of a talent of gold or silver.

Danno 06-13-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 507950)
Define depth.

Worse D in the league has depth?

We're not the worst defense in the league.

We were the worst defense in the league in 2012.

2013.. different players, different coaches, different scheme, fewer distractions, new head coach.

NonieT 06-13-2013 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 507963)
We're not the worst defense in the league.

We were the worst defense in the league in 2012.

2013.. different players, different coaches, different scheme, fewer distractions, new head coach.

Same Head Coach

Seer1 06-13-2013 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 508029)
Same Head Coach

Nope, different HC from last year...

TheOak 06-13-2013 06:39 PM

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Nope, different HC from last year...

Which one? We had 3 different head coaches last year lol !

Seer1 06-13-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 508056)
Which one? We had 3 different head coaches last year lol !

And none of them was the one we needed. Dammit!

Danno 06-13-2013 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 508029)
Same Head Coach

Nonie... seriously?:)

Rugby Saint II 06-16-2013 02:19 PM

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BS.......you don't overcome that kind of injury to a unit that was already questionable at best. We will be fine.......just not as fine as I had hoped.

TheOak 06-17-2013 04:38 AM

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We still do not know how fine we would have been with him on the field. If I remember correctly when we got him he was more of a "Ryan is bringing one of his guys", than "OMFG we just obtained the juggernaut".

homerj07 06-17-2013 09:24 PM

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Who is still on the FA list?

halloween 65 06-18-2013 06:52 PM

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All I know to ask is any of our lb.'s played 3/4 I know Vilma and I may be wrong but Lofton is a 4/3 lb.??????

Danno 06-18-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 508746)
All I know to ask is any of our lb.'s played 3/4 I know Vilma and I may be wrong but Lofton is a 4/3 lb.??????

As the coaches have said a few times, we've played a lot of 3-4 over the last several years so its not new to anyone on our roster.

They also said we'd play in a 3-4 less than 50% of the time due to all the different defensive packages used league wide in today's NFL.

Utah_Saint 06-19-2013 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 508749)
As the coaches have said a few times, we've played a lot of 3-4 over the last several years so its not new to anyone on our roster.

They also said we'd play in a 3-4 less than 50% of the time due to all the different defensive packages used league wide in today's NFL.

I read somewhere, under Gregg Williams, the Saints lined up in a 3-4 over a quarter of the time.

K Major 06-19-2013 11:39 AM

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I think a lot of naysayers including some members on this board will be pleasantly surprised by our D in 2013. 2012 is gone... tackling, scheme, a few players etc. There are just too many new faces on D not to be excited about the season.

jeanpierre 06-19-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 507937)
By Jeff Duncan, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune
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on June 12, 2013 at 9:51 PM, updated June 13, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Take a deep breath, Saints fans. It's going to be OK. Victor Butler's injury will not derail the Saints' season.

If the Butler injury derailed the season for the Saints, then this team wouldn't be worth a ****

burningmetal 06-19-2013 08:47 PM

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Speak for yourself, Duncan. I'm not devastated, but I DID expect him to make a difference. He was playing behind Demarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer... How was he going to crack that lineup?

The whole idea in signing him was not because he was an All-Pro, but because he is a talented young player who has a chance to develop into something good, maybe even special.

I saw a lot of people in this forum clamoring for an aging James Harrison a couple months back. While I didn't want to touch him with a 10 MILE pole at this point of his career, he certainly was a great player at one time. Did anyone think he would be any good when he was driving trucks, or whatever? Of course not. But it's all too easy to point out stats and say this guy wouldn't have made a difference, isn't it Jeff?


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