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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Uh, this discussion begun with you saying things like: You refuse to look at the issue I\"m bringing to the table, which is, regardless of the scenario, Brooks has been held accountable for the fortunes of this team. Blocking, pass ...

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Old 09-26-2004, 09:31 AM   #21
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Uh, this discussion begun with you saying things like:

You refuse to look at the issue I\"m bringing to the table, which is, regardless of the scenario, Brooks has been held accountable for the fortunes of this team. Blocking, pass dropping, play calling...all these things are being brought up now in an efford to defend the poor play of Deuce, but never seemed to matter much before.

Say what you will to save face, but you know this every bit as well as I do...sometimes you even admit it...which is more than I can say for some of your moonshine brethren.
That to me translates into you have an agenda.

A few posts later and all you can come up with in response to my post saying I looke at things fairly and realistically is

I guess it just doesn\'t take me as long.
Sure seems to me like your agenda talk lost a lot of its bite.
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Old 09-26-2004, 09:41 AM   #22
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That to me translates into you have an agenda.
If my wanting to place blame where it belongs - If my pointing out assumptions and mis-information is an agenda, then pass me some of what you\'re smokin\' Buddy.

Brooks HAS been held accountable for all those things and more. You can deny it \'til you\'re blue in the face, but it\'ll remain a fact even after you pass out. That I tell you I noticed an issue with dropped passes LONG before you did (likely because I was willing to look) doesn\'t weaken any agenda you think I have, but it does point directly to yours. It didn\'t take me MOST of last season to see it Whodat. I took you a lot longer than three games as I recall. How come?

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Old 09-26-2004, 05:55 PM   #23
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Maybe I\'m not being clear - that translates into \"You have an agenda WhoDat\"

Get it now? You called many of us to the carpet and after much debate your argument was reduced to \"I guess it just doesn\'t take me as long.\"

My point is that your argument of \"you have an agenda\" has been reduced to \"it doesn\'t take me as long.\"
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Old 09-26-2004, 07:08 PM   #24
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My point is that your argument of \"you have an agenda\" has been reduced to \"it doesn\'t take me as long.\"
...and you\'d be wrong...and you know it. But that\'s ok. I\'ve seen you misplace blame on here many times before. I\'ve seen you make up stuff too. Kinda like:

Defending Gator\'s \"lots of people calling the Saints a Mickey Mouse Organization\" lie.

Still think, after watching Brooks run for his life often today that the Saints \"excel\" at pass blocking? Care to back off that just a bit?

How bout insinuating Haz referred to Grady Jackson as a \"Cancer\" when he did nothing of the sort.

The list goes on and on. I just don\'t have the time.

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Still think, after watching Brooks run for his life often today that the Saints \"excel\" at pass blocking? Care to back off that just a bit?
How many sacks did the Rams have? How many hurries? Knock downs? The pass protection today was very good. No, I am not backing off that.

Defending Gator\'s \"lots of people calling the Saints a Mickey Mouse Organization\" lie.
You\'re reaching now. Gator said lots of ex-players have criticized the Saints. That\'s not untrue, and that position has always been one of speculation b/c it is completely unprovable by stats or anything other than comments made by others. I wonder what YOU will say about this great head coach and great GM who you support so fervently if the Saints fail this year and they get fired. You\'ll probably say that you said nothing at all about them ever, and you\'d probably be right. You don\'t make very many statements, you just throw sarcasm at others and accuse people of agendas.

How bout insinuating Haz referred to Grady Jackson as a \"Cancer\" when he did nothing of the sort.
Again a perfect example of how you stretch. You want to classify comments about Grady be a \"cancer\" as a bold face lie. In fact, Haslett cut Grady b/c he thought he was having a bad effect on Sullivan, missing meetings, and bringing the wrong attitude to the team. That is EXACTLY the definition of a cancer.

Stretch, stretch, stretch.

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How many sacks did the Rams have? How many hurries? Knock downs? The pass protection today was very good. No, I am not backing off that.
Very good? No. Did they \"excel\"? No. Did they do ok? Yeah. They did. Where do the Rams rank? How good was the defensive line. You\'re s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g it a bit arne\'t you? They wern\'t exactly blocking against the Ravens now were they? Again, you keep right on making my point (a statement, since you have trouble indentifying them) which is that you, and others are quite willing to pick and choose the criteria with which you judge different players.

You\'re reaching now. Gator said lots of ex-players have criticized the Saints
What he did Whodat, and there\'s a thread to prove it, is insinuate there were multiple explayers calling the Saints a \"Mickey Mouse\" organization. There aren\'t. Wasn\'t then...aren\'t now. Turley is the ONLY person to have said that to my knowledge...and to yours too, since you searched heartily for a 2nd instance of someone saying that and you didn\'t find it. How many times has Gator (or you for that matter) pressed members of this board to PROVE PROVE PROVE their statements? He didn\'t like it when the table was turned did he? Why does it seem to bother you so much?

I wonder what YOU will say about this great head coach and great GM who you support
I have NEVER, EVER used the word \"Great\" in ANY conversation regarding these two...not EVER! I do think now as I have always thought, and that is that Haz has been frequently held accountable for things beyond his control. That, is as true a STATEMENT as you\'ll ever read on this board.

Now, that\'s not to say that Haz hasn\'t done some questionable things. I too am a bit frustrated with the fact that he went for it on 4th down (twice) yesterday. I too wanted to throw something at the TV. That doesn\'t mean I\'m gonna come here and ***** and gripe and moan and complain and scream from the highest mountain that he needs to be fired. I\'m on record as having said Haz should get this year. I\'m also on record as saying there could be reasons the Saints could fail to make the playoffs that I wouldn\'t hold Jim accountable for. I\'m sorry you have a problem with that. No, wait, I\'m not sorry either.

Haslett cut Grady b/c he thought he was having a bad effect on Sullivan, missing meetings, and bringing the wrong attitude to the team
Can I assume then, that you disagree? If you disagree then can I ask you why? I guess my ultimate question is you would you know one way or the other. You use the word \"cancer\" to get your desired effect, and what would that be I wonder? Agenda much? LMAO

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