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Seer1 06-22-2013 01:55 PM

Lewis the Key?
 
While I'm not sure Keenan Lewis is the key to a good defense, he is going to be an important part of it.
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dizzle88 06-22-2013 02:27 PM

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The key to the defense will be the front 7 and how much pressure we can get on the QB, but like you said Keenan Lewis is going to be a huge part of it

We finally have an aggressive corner with both good size and speed, if he can force the QB to wait a second longer than he wants to with good coverage then our OLB's have real opportunities to make plays and vice versa

|Mitch| 06-22-2013 02:32 PM

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Just means that Robinson/Greer whoever is starting on the other side will be picked on quite frequently...

the-commish 06-22-2013 02:43 PM

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We also have some versatility in the secondary, with Kenny Vaccaro playing safety, but apparently able to cover slot receivers (which, in today's NFL, oftentimes includes TEs). And Malcolm Jenkins, able to play corner, even though his ability to play FS is still in question.

Whenever you have versatility, injuries are less damaging than they might otherwise be.

Beastmode 06-22-2013 03:32 PM

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I have not seen decent pressure since the Heavy Lunch Bunch and even those moments were few and far between.
We could have 3 Neon Deon's back there and it would not matter. Have to create some havoc up front.

rezburna 06-22-2013 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 509160)
I have not seen decent pressure since the Heavy Lunch Bunch and even those moments were few and far between.
We could have 3 Neon Deon's back there and it would not matter. Have to create some havoc up front.

3 Dieons back there and we'd cause more turnovers then any team ever.

Seer1 06-22-2013 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 509163)
3 Dieons back there and we'd cause more turnovers then any team ever.

But we'd be looking even worse than last year in our tackling.

Danno 06-22-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 509160)
I have not seen decent pressure since the Heavy Lunch Bunch and even those moments were few and far between.
We could have 3 Neon Deon's back there and it would not matter. Have to create some havoc up front.

I agree. Without a pass rush even a sub-par QB will pick apart an NFL defense.

ChrisXVI 06-22-2013 06:35 PM

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All 11 players that are our defensive starters are the key to a good defense. Keenan Lewis can completely shut down a receiver but what will it matter if there's no pass rush and other receiver's getting open. For example, Jabari Greer has been a fantastic CB at times over the years (when healthy)... But it hasn't mattered since the defense as a whole hasn't been firing on all cylinders.

rezburna 06-22-2013 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 509164)
But we'd be looking even worse than last year in our tackling.

He could tackle, just preferred not to have to. Lol. He's the greatest DB ever, I'd deal with that any day of the week.

Seer1 06-22-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 509169)
He could tackle, just preferred not to have to. Lol. He's the greatest DB ever, I'd deal with that any day of the week.

All hype. Preferring not to is still a couldn't.

darksoul35 06-22-2013 08:45 PM

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There will never be another Dion but even he would've struggled covering receivers with our raggedy ass front seven. If we had Dion in his prime last year he probably would've had to play zone knowing the great Spags.

rezburna 06-22-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 509170)
All hype. Preferring not to is still a couldn't.

I can sympathize with him. Tackling hurts, and corners shouldn't be depended on to do it that often; but he averaged around the amount of tackles a year you want a corner to. Like he always said, find the highlight reel of him missing tackles. And are you saying Dieon was all hype????!!!!!

Seer1 06-22-2013 11:50 PM

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Hahaha! No way I'm watching a bunch of whiners, clowns n cow pies games to prove a point on the internet. How the hell did he come into this thread anyway? Next we'll be puttin' him and T***w in the same backfield knowing neither one's gonna be the key to our defense.

TheOak 06-23-2013 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 509175)
I can sympathize with him. Tackling hurts and corners shouldn't be depended on to do it that often;


Did you just say you can sympathize with a football player for not doing his job because it hurts?

Yes, if you are anywhere on defense, tackling is part of your damn job description it's 1/2 of what you do at the least.

What is a CB expected to do when the receiver he is covering catches a pass?

TheOak 06-23-2013 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 509172)
There will never be another Dion but even he would've struggled covering receivers with our raggedy ass front seven. If we had Dion in his prime last year he probably would've had to play zone knowing the great Spags.

Deon would have been a different player today, there are different rules.

dizzle88 06-23-2013 08:31 AM

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Deion Sanders is a douche

Nowadays teams would just run at him all day because he was too much of a wimp to make a tackle

hagan714 06-23-2013 05:01 PM

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I like the match up with falclowns wrs much more with him in the fold.

rezburna 06-23-2013 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 509186)
Did you just say you can sympathize with a football player for not doing his job because it hurts?

Yes, if you are anywhere on defense, tackling is part of your damn job description it's 1/2 of what you do at the least.

What is a CB expected to do when the receiver he is covering catches a pass?

Deion would dominate whatever time period he played in. You got numerous linebackers and defensive linemen who's sole purpose is to make tackles that don't do it consistently but you think corners are supposed to have it perfected? When a corner is a great tackler he plays safety. He's a better tackler then any corner we've got I bet you that. You can't make any solid case to me about him being overrated. And yeah I can sympathize with pain. My body is messes up from football without going pro. You aren't playing. You're spectating and trying to take credit away from the best players ever.

rezburna 06-23-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 509188)
Deion Sanders is a douche

Nowadays teams would just run at him all day because he was too much of a wimp to make a tackle

find the proof. Better yet, tell me why they didn't do it back when he played? It wasn't a passing league as much as it is now. That argument makes no sense.

Seer1 06-23-2013 06:39 PM

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rezburna, if you're as big a B&G fan as you are a Sanders fan, you'll up our fan base by +5. Who Dat buddy!

rezburna 06-23-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 509232)
rezburna, if you're as big a B&G fan as you are a Sanders fan, you'll up our fan base by +5. Who Dat buddy!

Deion is my favorite player ever. Favorite sports figure really. One thing about me, Saints or not, I refuse to dickride. Nobody is saying Jimmy is overrated for all those dropped passes or Drew is overrated for all these interceptions. And I also don't let how I feel about a persona dictate my thoughts on their production. I'm done talking about it though. Nobody should ever think to question Prime.

hagan714 06-24-2013 03:30 AM

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deion was a freak of nature at CB and just plainly a freak off the field.

TheOak 06-24-2013 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 509236)
I refuse to dickride.

Then get off Dion.

So in your opinion if a receiver caught a pass when Dion was covering him it was a lineman or linebackers responsibility to tackle that receiver?


That make complete sense.

Night Train, Sharper and Woodson own the records Sanders wish he had.

rezburna 06-24-2013 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 509256)
Then get off Dion.

So in your opinion if a receiver caught a pass when Dion was covering him it was a lineman or linebackers responsibility to tackle that receiver?


That make complete sense.

Night Train, Sharper and Woodson own the records Sanders wish he had.

The way he locked guys down how often did he have to worry about that? And who said he didn't make those tackles? Find the **** and quit telling me about it. Is a running backs primary job to block? No. You just have to be decent. How about a linebacker? Should they be all pro at pass coverage? They're asked to do it right? Its technically in their job description yeah?

Plus none of the people you named ever had the whole NFL avoiding them. Deion had 492 tackles over his career and averaged 38 tackles a season. Thats including injury years and the move to safety. Just fine for a cornerback. Jabari Greer averages 42.

I'm done with it though.You're in the minority anyway. I could post plenty of things to dispute your claim, but its a waste of time. Keep pretending like if Deion spent his career as a Saint you wouldn't be singing a different tune.

K Major 06-24-2013 09:31 AM

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As much as I enjoy the debate on Primetime...he can't help us in 2013 but Keenan Lewis can.

Seer1 06-24-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 509275)
As much as I enjoy the debate on Primetime...he can't help us in 2013 but Keenan Lewis can.

And back to our regularly scheduled program.....

Rugby Saint II 06-25-2013 07:12 PM

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Don't count out White just yet.


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