Another angry former player
 

Ok, remind me again why Cleeland is relevant? Didn\'t even know he was still playing.

Another angry former player
 

He probably isn\'t relevant on his own, just an insider\'s view of how the organization works.
He\'ll probably blow his achilles sometime soon anyway.

:kerry:

Another angry former player
 

[quoteGator - you beat me to it man. I\'d LOVE to hear what Danno and Saintfan have to say about this. I\'m sure Cam is just another crazy-azz cancer like Turley and the rest... or wait, every coach has players talk about taking them out on the sidelines, huh? LOL [/quote:c3f0d82849]

This just in...

Rams | Cleelan Doubtful after tirade with press- from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:22:14 -0700

St. Louis Rams TE Cam Cleelan stessed ovaries after infuriating comments made toward former employer Saints coach and real man Jim Haslett. He is listed as doubful for Sundays home game vs the Saints.



But seriously, are you trying to say we screwed up by keeping him? Or that we\'re a Mickey Mouse organization because the owner made his fortune as a car dealer? I don\'t get your spin.

Another angry former player
 

Me too. Seems the guys that have a problem with Haz either couldn\'t or wouldn\'t perform or their behavior was detrimental to the team. Some folks think we should keep those type players I gather. I disagree.

Another angry former player
 

I agree with you guys about Cam. He is a wuss in my book. However he was a good TE when the Saints could get him on the field. And We really haven\'t had a TE of his caliber since he left. And don\'t y\'all think that maybe something is wrong when all these players the Saints get rid of have nothing but bad thing to say about the organization. Where there\'s smoke theres fire.

Another angry former player
 

We\'ve got two on the roster and one on th practice squad. I\'d take any of \'em over Cam -- ouch I broke a nail -- Cleeland.

Another angry former player
 

How happy are you about a company that you once worked for, but quit? Had to have a reason to leave, didn\'t you?

Another angry former player
 

I agree with BnB on this one.

Also, \"all these players\", who has really complained that much about the organization beyond Turley, Cleeland, and Hawthorne? Roaf had a beef with Horn, and Johnson was mad they wouldn\'t pay him (you wouldn\'t be mad about someone not paying you enough if you didn\'t want to play for them).

This isn\'t a challenge that there AREN\'T \"all these players\", I\'d just like to know who they are (and how many of them there really are) before I form an opinion about it.

Another angry former player
 

Listen, I don\'t know that Cam is all that relevant, but I can\'t believe people dismiss this same argument over and over.

Player after player has come out and said that the organization feels more like a sleezy car dealership than a football team. Many have criticized Haslett and Benson, and you guys ALWAYS dismiss it as IRRELEVANT. I don\'t understand how on one hand you can continually scratch your head and wonder how this team didn\'t live up to your 12-4 predictions or the marketing department\'s hype and then hear things like this and say - \"there\'s no correlation.\"

Is Cam just an angry crazed bitter ex-Saint. I doubt it. He never seemed that way in NO or anywhere else. Maybe with Turley you could say that, but Cam? Roaf? I dunno. I\'m not suggesting that the Saints should have kept these guys, but the fact that they\'re gone doesn\'t mean their comments are completely without merit. It could be that they\'re nuts, or it could be that many others feel the same but don\'t want to speak up about it b/c they\'ve moved on and don\'t want to waste anymore of their time worry about the Saints.

I\'m not saying that Cam Cleeland is undeniable proof, but he\'s just another in a very long string of players that you guys ignore almost as much as you believe the propoganda spewed out by this organization every May and June.

Another angry former player
 

WhoDat, I salute you sir! :salute:

You have hit the nail on the head. If you hear it once, the guy is probably just a bitterman. If you hear it over and over, then maybe the charge has some merit anyway.

It isn\'t like we just released Cam either. He\'s been with the Patriots and some other teams since us and he still seems hopping mad at Haslett. What is it about Haslett that inspires such loathing from people?

:kerry: