Another angry former player
 

He didn\'t take Turley\'s crap...

He didn\'t take Jackson\'s refusal to follow simple rules...

He didn\'t have anything to do with La\'Roi or Johnson...

He wasn\'t Roaf\'s counselor or daddy (or father to his wife\'s baby)...

Cam seems to be pretty tight with Turley...I wonder if that has anything to do with his recent willingness to make an ass out of himself.

I\'m not really defending Haz here because I don\'t really know what happened with Cam, but of the players you guys seem to remember the most, personally, I would have told \'em to hit the frappin\' road too.

Another angry former player
 

http://cbs.sportsline.com/b/page/pre...573968,00.html

Maybe it\'s because Haslett baby\'s Brooks and crucifies everyone else? It must be hard when the boss caters to the most \"me-first\" guy on the team and puts everyone else under the bus.

Aaron Brooks = :niko_saddam:

:kerry:

Another angry former player
 

WHO DAT R U KIDDING ME WITH THAT POST. THE GUY PLAYED LIKE 2 GAMES IN 4 SEASONS. WHO GIVES A HES MAD. I HOPE HIS MOUTHING GETS THE SAINTS GOING. CHRIST HES TALKING ABOUT THE SAINTS AS IF THE DID HIM WRONG. HOW DARE U NOT KEEP ME WHEN I DONT PLAY EVER. HES AN IDIOT. I CANT BELIEVE U WOULD TRY TO FIND ANYTHING IN THAT. IT BE ONE THING IF IT WAS LAROI GLOVER BUT CHRIST CAM CLEELAND. R U KIDDING ME

[Edited on 25/9/2004 by JOESAM2002]

Another angry former player
 

Could be.

OR...

It could be that Brooks shows up at his correct weight, makes all the meetings, doesn\'t let his anger affect his play on the feild, is a big boy and has his personal affairs in order and doesn\'t let them affect the team, etc...etc...etc.

Another angry former player
 

brooks must go
my god how dare brooks that he want to get paid. oh not that. he should just play for 50,000 a year while everyone else waround him makes money. not players owners the league u get ti. theese guys r one of 53 men on 32 teams. do the math on that. thats less then 1700 people. now even if u include practice squad and whatever else ur talking about 2000-2500 people in the WORLD that can play this sport at this level and they dont deserve to be paid for that r u frigan kidding. i dont know what u do for a livinfg but ill bet u that a whole lot mnore then 2500 people in the world can do it. n thats why ur not paid like they r.
also concider he is a qb. only one starter on the team. 32 teams?
think about it

Another angry former player
 

Quarterbacking professionally isn\'t exactly brain surgery. The guy gets paid to play a game.
He makes a living by the charity of others, just like the tap-dancing kids in the French Quarter.
Let\'s try not to overinflate how important this is.

Another angry former player
 

Sorta Like Deuce and his precious full back huh?

[Edited on 25/9/2004 by saintfan]

Another angry former player
 

Very much so, all entertainers do.

Another angry former player
 

WhoDat, I know you weren\'t directing this at me, but I\'m beginning to feel like you don\'t read what I write (which makes me sad).

I agree that there are some players who left mad at Haz (Turley and Hawthorne most noteably). However, NEITHER of these guys said what made them mad, just that they were mad (though I believe Hawthorne said they didn\'t \"give him a chance\" - wow). Other guys who left didn\'t say ANYTHING to my knowlege about Haz (including Roaf, Glover, Johnson, Knight, Jackson, and so on). If they did, it WOULD be worth hearing, and I\'d be happy to consider it.

I don\'t think anyone supports a general argument against any player, coach, or organization, that has the following form:

1. Many people who left were mad.
Therefore,
2. It is x they were mad at and they are justified.

We\'d want to know a lot more about who left, why, and what they said. That was BnB\'s point, and I agreed.

Of course, I agree with you that simply dismissing them as \"crazy\" or \"pu--ies\" is not a good tactic either, AND I agree that this seems to happen a lot.

Another angry former player
 

and so u brooks must go would reduse the money or be paid as much as needed for u to get by in life. if u were able to be paid 6 million a season u would only ask 300,00. ur just aq nice guy like that.

dont be jealous that god didnt afford u the same talent. that u r just like me and most if not all of the people who write on here regular people. but were all fans of this sport and of theese people who play it. of course not of all that play it.

see ur first problem is understanding why theese players r payed so much. they r because they generate so much money for mr.benson and the saints. if they didnt earn him money they wouldnt be paid. thats first off. just like any buisness. and money makes the world go around. we all love it and chase after it. if not u would live in a cave somewhere and live off the land. 2nd of all to pretend that this does not require intelligence is sill especially at the qb spot. if u had the physical requirements for the sport u would struggle to be able to be any good at it. me also not just u. thats why qb\'s dont just come out and r great from the beginning. thats why it takes some years. because it is eqally a game of physical ability as well as mental ability. theese players r edjucated. not all equally but for the most part as well or better as anyone on here. again dont give me the one in one hunred example. talk the norm please. nothing is black or white in life its all a gray. also for the players that played at high profile colleges they had to juggle academics as well as the game the practices and possibly more just to make it to the nfl. all the while not being able to receive anything more then a free tuition while the school and television channels get rich off them. all the while they may not have any money more then likely come from some crap neighborhood. dont get me wrong it is an excellent opportunity they receive but lets be honest nothing is free in life. so if they r receiving 80,000 dollar scholarships someone is making bank off that somewheree or they wouldnt get it.

so sorry to disagree with u but i dont dislike people who make money because they r gifted enough to generate enough revinue that they in turn r payed to do so. n we all pay to help support that