Another angry former player
 

Spending a bit too much time with 08? Talk about speculation.

J- was not directing that post at you in any way - sorry if it came across that way. I do read your posts and think you are one of the better posters on the board, even if you often fail to take a position and instead come out like Switzerland on Earth Day! ;)

Not really making that argument. Cam is clearly upset with Haslett. He is not the first, but the argument I\'ve made time and again about this organization\'s alleged lack of professionality doesn\'t suggest that Haslett is the problem. It suggests an organization-wide lack of character, professionality, and often times, skill. Haslett could fit in to that, and does, IMO, contribute - but I\'ve never said HE is the problem in this regard.

Another angry former player
 

Speculation? Ummm....yes...you\'ll notice the words \"I wonder\" in my post. Speculation...for sure...Insinuation...I think not. That\'s the big difference.

See, I could type, \"There\'s lots of people callin\' the Saints a Mickey Mouse Organization\", OR, I could type, \"At least one player is callin\' the Saints a Mickey Mouse Organization\". One is accurate and one isn\'t. Can you figure which is which? ;)

[Edited on 26/9/2004 by saintfan]

Another angry former player
 

Who,

I just want some granola buddy! I agree that often I don\'t take a stand, but here are a couple that I have made recently: 1. We need a CB in the worst way, 2. 9-7, unless improvement is made (I\'m sure I\'ll get some egg on my face for this one), 3. Cam Cleeland\'s comment is irrelevant.

I see.

However, don\'t you think that that if three people are mad at x, four people are mad at y, and one is mad at z, does that mean that x, y, and z ARE the organization, thus, there is a problem with the organization; or, should we just say that there are people mad at different people and that the organization\'s dignity is unaffected. I guess, I\'m just wondering if it makes sense to claim that the organization itself is the problem (unless we identify the organization with the people who made the decisions - of course, those people - x, y, and z - have changed over time and some are no longer with the organization). I guess that was a bit rambly, but you probably take my point.

Another angry former player
 

Show me a Super Bowl ring on Hasbeen\'s finger and then you can begin to dicredit first round picks and Pro Bowlers that are disgruntled with the organization and the job Hasbeen is doing in New Orleans .... ;)

Another angry former player
 

When X,Y, and Z are the Owner, GM, and Head Coach, yeah, that speaks directly to the organization\'s professionality. If it were a player, waterboy, and grounds keeper it might be different.

Another angry former player
 

Who,

Point taken. Of course, the GM has turned over during that time. Does that matter?

Another angry former player
 

Possibly - I\'m not sure either have been great. Mueller was a fantastic evaluator of talent, but if we are to believe the current front office, a little power hungry, controlling, and nuts. Loomis is one hell of a finance guy who doesn\'t seem to know a whole lot about football. That\'s my take.