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Old 07-27-2013, 08:28 AM   #1
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Brutal conditioning test? ‘Chip Kelly pace’ at camp? New Orleans Saints seem serious about playing uptempo

The first curious sign from New Orleans Saints camp was reports of a brutal conditioning test that is unlike most of the ones seen around the NFL.
Reports said it was like a CrossFit workout, and quarterback Drew Brees compared it to a "10-minute wrestling match."

Then it started to make sense when the Saints started practicing.

The Patriots had a lot of success running an up-tempo offense, and Eagles coach Chip Kelly doesn't have some copyright on playing at a fast pace. You're bound to see many NFL teams playing at a much faster pace, we just don't know yet which squads will do so. It seems pretty likely that the Saints are going to be one of the teams that play much faster on offense, so look out NFL.
The Saints already played pretty fast, as their 1,067 plays ranked seventh in the NFL last year. The Patriots played even faster, with 1,191 plays. If the Saints play at that pace, and keep up last year's pass-run ratio of roughly 65-35 (though that might have been a little inflated because New Orleans' defense was so bad), then grab your pencils and let's figure out what Brees might be able to do.
With 124 more plays, that's about 80 more passes for Brees. His average per attempt the last two years has been about eight yards. That would be 640 more yards. The last time Brees had Sean Payton calling plays, he threw for 5,476 yards in 2011 and set the NFL record.
So is 6,000 yards in a season possible? It seems crazy but if all the signs are accurate and the Saints plan to play at a breakneck pace, it's at least a possibility. Fantasy owners take note.
Payton was suspended last season. He had a lot of time to watch the rest of the league and think about 2013. Maybe he bought into a trend that is gaining steam around the league: Faster is better.
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Interesting.

However good our offence is though, and it is very good indeed, the quicker we go, the quicker we may score (and hand the ball back) or, sometimes, the quicker we turnover the ball through interception, downs or punt. That means we are effectively 'rushing' our defence onto the field. That is NOT something I want to do.

We have proven in the Brees/Payton era that we are a near unstoppable offensive juggernaut. I wouldn't change something that simply isn't broken. Only two things ever stand out on offence to me as something I would want to tweak. 1) Use the run game more. We have a great committee and can further open up play action for Brees. 2) Throw the ball away on a dead play. Whilst Drew can make miracles happen, he does also bin one too many crappy passes into the opposition when a row Z Hail Mary would have been better.

Loving the enthusiasm coming out of these reports and out of camp generally but changing our offence and how we put points on the board...sceptical. Very sceptical.
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Interesting.

However good our offence is though, and it is very good indeed, the quicker we go, the quicker we may score (and hand the ball back) or, sometimes, the quicker we turnover the ball through interception, downs or punt. That means we are effectively 'rushing' our defence onto the field. That is NOT something I want to do.

We have proven in the Brees/Payton era that we are a near unstoppable offensive juggernaut. I wouldn't change something that simply isn't broken. Only two things ever stand out on offence to me as something I would want to tweak. 1) Use the run game more. We have a great committee and can further open up play action for Brees. 2) Throw the ball away on a dead play. Whilst Drew can make miracles happen, he does also bin one too many crappy passes into the opposition when a row Z Hail Mary would have been better.

Loving the enthusiasm coming out of these reports and out of camp generally but changing our offence and how we put points on the board...sceptical. Very sceptical.
I'll reframe it for you.

1. You never handicap your best asset..... Ever. Especially to compensate for a weak point.
2. Drew picking up the pace means less time for defenses to substitute, less time to figure out the play... Less chance we are covered and theoretically cuts down on interceptions.
3. Scoring too fast only happens in the last 2 minutes of most games.... What are we running in the last two minutes anyway? The 2 minute, no huddle, hurry up offense.

4. You call it unbroken... I would call it somewhat figured out, see the last three years INTs. Take away those INTs and we are not just good, we are devastating.



Do you think Payton Manning is as good as he is because of pure physical skill? He runs this same high speed style, and he catches defenses substituting with 12 men on the field often.
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