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Best QB's in the 4th quarter over the last 10 years...
Brooks #4
Ahead of McNabb, Favre, Elway, Brunnell and Brady.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7731297

Wow. That even surprised me a bit. Pretty good article.

I guess the Brooks haters must of overlooked this article, or they saw it and ignored it.

Let me guess, someone will pull out that 5 year old scouting report on Brooks that questions his intelligence?



[Edited on 29/9/2004 by Danno]

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That\'d be 08...in five, four, three, two...

LOL

:soleil:

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This isn\'t that surprising. Brooks is a sandlot player. When the whole gameplan goes into the toilet, Brooks gets to freelance since there\'s nothing to lose. It hardly makes him an elite QB.

:kerry:

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Uhh, yea...Whatever

:W:

W...FIT FOR COMMAND

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I\'m eager to hear what 08 has to say on this topic.

I guess its good that Brooks is so good in coming back at the end. Otherwise, we wouldn\'t be such a dominant .500 team.

:kerry:

W...Fit to Command...4 companies into bankruptcy.

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Its debatable whether or not those companies shot themselves in the foot. :fanclub: LMFAO!!!

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Well - if Bush could just throw the deep ball...

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Got a great stat for you Danno one of the benefits of paying the toll :

Here are Brooks ratings as of today in the receiver sets :

2 receiver set - 119.1
3 receiver set - 90.3
4 receiver set - 82.9

The more the Saints advertise the pass , the less effective Brooks is .

The laser arm plays great against a defense playing not to let the ball go deep ....

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That seems completely counter-intuitive. Are you sure about those numbers? It seems to me we suck generally out of a two WR set - we seem to have much greater production in a 3 WR set. ??? Something ain\'t stirring the Koolaid man.

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Perfecta mundo , checked twice .

2 receiver set - 119.1
3 receiver set - 90.3
4 receiver set - 82.9
Shotgun formation - 88.3

These stats are so far this season , and Brooks does big business with the play action pass .

Want too see if they drop with deuce out , should be real interesting ....

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Do you have stats for other QBs in these situations? I would suspect they would look somewhat similar. As you said, the more you advertise the pass, the harder it is for the QB - shouldn\'t just apply to Brooks.

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Of course we all know this. 08 does too, but his agenda won\'t allow him to conceed it. ;)

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Case in point from the other thread.

08 posted statistics which seem to show AB\'s passer rating decreases as the game goes on. Did Saintfan question those numbers? Did he suggest and FOOTBALL RELATED reason as to why this might be the case? Did he show other QBs in similar situations? No - he attacked 08 as usual - using agenda as his defense of AB and nothing else. No facts, no stats, no football insight. This is bad for BnG.net - at least 08 keeps it about football.

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No Saintfan, actually being week 3 not all quarterbacks have run all the sets .... :casstet:

So to be fair we will run the top 5 + in the 2 receiver set and as they disappear in other formations at least we know why now ....

2 receiver set

Culpepper - 133.1
Brooks - 119.1
Bulger - 110.0
McNabb - 108.3
Harrington 97.5
Pennington -133.3
Manning - 130.3

3 receiver set

Culpepper - 122.8
Brooks - 90.3
Bulger - 97.8
McNabb - 108.3
Harrington - 73.8
Pennington - 81.3
Manning - 115.2

4 receiver set

Brooks - 82.9
Bulger - 70.8
Pennington - 121.4

Shotgun

Culpepper - 116.9
Brooks - 88.3
Bulger - 34.3
McNabb - 59.0
Harrington - 88.2
Manning - 116.4


[Edited on 30/9/2004 by saintz08]

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looks like AB stacks up pretty well......right 08

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Looks like you already did that. Jeesh whodat. Pay attention. ;)


LMAO

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This isn\'t that surprising. Brooks is a sandlot player. When the whole gameplan goes into the toilet, Brooks gets to freelance since there\'s nothing to lose. It hardly makes him an elite QB.


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How can someone be so dead right about doofus Brooks, and be so wrong about who should be commander-in-cheif ????

(......I know I know.. Brooks is playing marvelous.... I just dont trust that it will continue, nor do I think anyone we have on the sidelines now would do any better... our best shot in this decade went to Carolina, and it`s a damn shame)

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At this point in time I can honestly say Brooks is in the upper 30 % of the quarterbacks across the board .

Now let me say this , Brooks had the benefit of Deuce against the Seahawks so he did not have too gun the defense down solo .

Game 2 well let\'s say , with the first overall selection in the 2005 draft the niners pick .... ;)

Fartz lined the Ramettes up in the secondary for that game , their secondary had Sehorn penciled in as a starter at one point .

It should be interesting to see how Brooks handles the games coming up , Cards might give Brooks a little trouble then most think .

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Satinfan? Agenda talk?

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08 has an agenda Whodat. You\'ve even go so far as to admit it but let him slide on it because, as you seem to think, he can misrepresent facts and twist the truth so long as it\'s a means to and end. That\'s plain laughable. It\'s as CLEAR this personal attack (you know, the thing you accuse me of -- and oddly overlook it when your buddies do it).

Are you guilty of doing the same thing you whine about others doing? Hmmmmm....take it to Everything else or get over it. ;)

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My agenda is too put up the numbers and let them tell a story .

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Personal attacks aren\'t OK on this board? Comments about people that have nothing to do with football aren\'t allowed? Oh, I was confused. There seems to be a pattern and practice that suggests otherwise. I was simply taking my que from one moderator who acted in that fashion and others who did nothing about it.

Your statement above further support everything I\'ve been saying. You can only see things YOUR way. You said that I support 08\'s misrepresentations and \"spin\" to just about any degree so long as it is a means to an end. I have NEVER suggested that. That\'s YOUR argument.

I have never even suggested that 08 misrepresents things. 08 looks at the same set of facts that you and I do, he simply arrives at his conclusions differently. You suggest that it is some hateful agenda. I do not.

Herein lies the basic problem, which you still cannot dispute. I may not agree with 08\'s rationale or interpretation all the time, but he should be able to make his opinions known. Simply b/c his conclusions are different than mine, or because his rationale is disparate does not mean he is malicious. You consistently allege that his arrival at a different conclusion than you can ONLY be explained by some hateful agenda. That is simply myopic and I dare say ignorant. Further, I would go so far as to bet that you make your decision about what 08 has to say before you read the first word. You see the name and avitar and your fingers start typing agenda before you\'ve read a single word.

More importantly, is that while you try to deflect this attack on 08, you really intend to make the same allegations about me, BMG, Gator, and others. You simply won\'t say it b/c that would be a direct personal attack, as compared to the indirect one you\'re making now. There is no question that you have lumped me in with 08 and suggested that I misrepresent facts, tell lies, spin comments, etc. all b/c I believe this will somehow cause the Saints to dump Brooks and fulfill my secret mission. That\'s far more likely that two people looking at the same set of indecisive facts and reasonable disagreeing in their meaning.

Go ahead and move this to the Everything Else section. It doesn\'t change the fact that you continue to do things on this board every day that others are not allowed to do. The immunity of that moderator title won\'t last forever. These Mods are intelligent people and eventually they\'ll tire of your attacks too.

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He can, and he does. And when I can poke holes in it I do so. Same thing YOU do with ANYone who disagrees with you. Where\'s the difference? There isn\'t any. Lately you\'ve been on some sort of rampage about me poking holes in certain things you say. You have a choice. You can (a) deal with it or (b) leave. Either way I don\'t care. Makes exactly zero difference to me...but I can and will voice my differences with you at any time I choose. This is America Jack. I\'m real sorry...no, wait...I\'m not sorry at all. You can get over it or not.

Bottom line is I\'m not doing anything to you that Gator hasn\'t done to Billy...that 08 hasn\'t done to me, etc, etc. To deny that as a fact is to lie. Finally...if you have a personal comment about me take it to the everything else board where it belongs or send me a private msg.

Very much in tune with the other hot head on the board these days you assume too much. I haven\'t moved or deleted a thing...yet.

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Ok boys, I\'ve been quiet as long as I can. I AM THE ONE WHO MOVED THE THREAD! IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT,I SUGGEST YOU TAKE IT UP WITH ME. Now, can\'t you guys take this crap to the Everything else board? Or would you like me to move it too?

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Joe - move it if you must. I have no problem with that - I did not intend to suggest that I did. I don\'t care where this discussion takes place, the basic tenets remain the same.

Ah, but there is a BIG difference, and it\'s one that it seems only you cannot distinguish. When you recently suggested Brooks was being hurt by other members of this team, how did I respond? With sarcasm - yes - but I also showed that he has a RB that was 4th best in the league last year, 2 WRs in the top 20 this season, and a line that hasn\'t allowed a lot of sacks. See Saintfan, those are called \"football arguments.\" On the other hand, when 08 posted statistics about AB and then used them to make some claim about AB (again football related), what did you do? Did you show contrary facts? Did you question the logic by which he converted facts into opinions? No - you simply said that he had an agenda. Your comment was not about WRs, RBs, Lines, QBs... it was about 08. THAT is the DIFFERENCE.

You don\'t poke holes in what I say, you attempt to poke holes in my character by questioning my motives. As I said in the Everything Else section, saying that I make statements b/c I have an agenda at very least implies that I do thing willfully to hurt others. That calls into question my integrity, honesty, intelligence, and/or loyalty. That is an attack on character. You take attacks on Brooks as personal attacks, but wonder how we can be upset when you attack us directly... You say, \"I\'m not attacking you, I\'m saying that you\'re being dishonest and intentionally skewing things b/c you have a character flaw.\" Well, I\'m not calling you a liar, but I\'m pretty sure that you\'re not telling the truth.

You asked me in the other thread how your being a mod matters in all this. This is exactly how is matters. Statements like this. I can bow down to your double standard or I can leave. I can allow you to make statements about me personally, with no recourse, or I can leave. I don\'t think that is the type of conduct that the other Mods expect of a person charged with \"protecting\" the members of this board and \"fostering\" an open environment.

You\'re right, we\'ve all taken shots at one another in the past, but you\'re the only one still doing it. You do it consistently. Does it strike you as odd at all that this is such a big hub-bub on this board? Me questioning your motives? I\'m making statements about you personally, and that is causing a problem here. Yet you get to \"expose\" my \"agenda\" on a daily basis and it is acceptible.

To JOE, HALO, and the other Mods - I do honestly apologize for the disruption and inconvenience. I understand that this can be frustration. This is the frustration that 08, Gator, BMG, myself, and others who generally disagree with Saintfan\'s take on the world have to deal with on a daily basis. I enjoy this board very much and want it to succeed. I am remorseful that things have to come to this. But I challenge you to prove my statements wrong. Provide some proof to me that a few of us are just \"over-sensitive\" and I\'ll gladly stop it. I think that if you truly look, you\'ll see the board prospered most not when Gator was gone, or Billy, but those few months a while back when Saintfan wasn\'t around. No one attacked anyone else. There was general harmony. I\'m not asking to have the man banned, I just want his posting habbits to be held to the same standard as all the rest of us. That is all.

[Edited on 1/10/2004 by WhoDat]

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My opinion is :

We have all been cyber buddies for too damn long to be hammering at you . Does that mean as a moderator I allow a little more leash for the likes of WhoDat , Gator , Saintfan and Billy ? YES

I will assume that you guys have been here long enough to know that you can PM any moderator if you are feeling as though you are being attacked .

Do we really want this to be some sanitized version of a Saints forum ??? I have seen these sanitized forums before and they aint much to look at .

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All I want is for all you guys to get along. It ain\'t hard. You all have different ideas of different things but thats not to say that one is right and one is wrong. It\'s an opinion, nothing more and nothing less. We all know what an opinion is worth. It\'s not like the Saints are going to change the team on anything we say. We can say what we\'d like to see, but it\'s not going to change anything. To me this board is to discuss the New Orleans Saints and how we as fans can support them. So if you will, cool your jets and get your Shhhhhhhhhhhhhheite together. Quit this mess and get back to the program. I love you all but you\'re beginning to piss me off! :smile_argue:

[Edited on 2/10/2004 by JOESAM2002]

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Whodat, I will address your concerns with me in the EVERYTHING ELSE BOARD WHERE THIS DISCUSSION BEONGS.

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I locked the thread.