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Old 08-14-2013, 01:05 PM   #1
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Our so-called Vanilla D on the opening drive...

New Orleans Saints' Preseason Defensive Personnel and Alignment Film Study - Canal Street Chronicles

Hmm.. Not so Vanilla to me. I keep reading about this term and frankly i just dont get it. What's the purpose at all of putting a 'Vanilla D' out on the field?? Wouldnt this be the best test to see our new defense? I guess it isn't important to test your defense at all in a pre-season game!

This garbage about "oh they just dinked and dunked" on us the first drive. I'm sorry but this was the Peyton Manning's style in Indy and worked very well.

Stop looking through rose colored glasses. The first team D was atrocious.

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Pre-season is about installation and evaluation.

KC learned nothing about their starting offense since they took advantage of base alignments. As pointed out in another article, our defense personnel would have been much different than what we saw Friday. We did not substitute personnel to counter the 11 or 12 personnel that KC was lined up in. On those dump off's we would have our nickle package in against that formation. Instead we left our base personnel in probably just to evaluate individual match-ups.

I'm surprised the Chiefs pulled Smith after one series. Smiths success was a mirage. Maybe they just wanted to build his confidence?

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The initial drive was a vivid illustration of a lack of opponent specific game planning for an exhibition game. Several times during that drive the Saints were in position groups ill equipped to handle the Chiefs' offense. During the regular season, we will seldom see base personnel (three linemen, four linebackers and four defensive backs) against 11 personnel one back, one tight end and three receivers. That offensive grouping calls for at least five defensive backs to matchup.

That matchup created the situation where Will Smith was chasing a back in the flat. I honestly believe that that confrontation will not occur in the regular season where Smith will be used as a rush defender.
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Judge the entire 2013 defense based on the first drive?
First drive of pre-season.
New coach, new players, new defensive scheme?

If the first string defense looks weak during this week's preseason game AND the third pre-season game, then maybe we can start being critical.

There really wasn't enough there to make judgements about.
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Tackling, Tackling, Tackling...
Scheme doesn't matter.
The players must tackle. Wrap up and bring the ball carrier down on first contact.
That's how you improve defense.
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Aarrrrghhhh...............we're screwed!
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Originally Posted by westbankdaze View Post
Hmm.. Not so Vanilla to me. I keep reading about this term and frankly i just dont get it. What's the purpose at all of putting a 'Vanilla D' out on the field?? Wouldnt this be the best test to see our new defense? I guess it isn't important to test your defense at all in a pre-season game!

This garbage about "oh they just dinked and dunked" on us the first drive. I'm sorry but this was the Peyton Manning's style in Indy and worked very well.
For whom to see? The defense sees it all day at practice.. Unless perhaps you find value in giving Atlanta 4 weeks to plan because they saw our new defense last week?

No that was not Payton Manning's style in Indy.. Did you see the game? Did you notice that not one WR was utilized in the drive that the Chiefs scored on?

Manning used the crap out of Collie, Wayne and Garcon. The only TE he used a good bit was Clark with 11.4 YPC... Alex Smith didnt throw anything over 7 yards.
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Originally Posted by frankeefrank View Post
Tackling, Tackling, Tackling...
Scheme doesn't matter.
The players must tackle. Wrap up and bring the ball carrier down on first contact.
That's how you improve defense.

That doesn't work for the pass. If you focus on tackling them where they catch the ball that's still 7-15 yards per pass.
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If your going to judge our defenses entire season based on the opening drive then we should have won the superbowl last year seen as the first preseason game we picked off the QB on the opening drive with spags

Settle down and have a little faith
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If your going to judge our defenses entire season based on the opening drive then we should have won the superbowl last year seen as the first preseason game we picked off the QB on the opening drive with spags

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