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Old 09-04-2013, 10:57 AM   #41
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Old 09-04-2013, 10:58 AM   #42
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Reasons to be optimistic........Sean Payton and Drew Brees.
Reasons to be pessimistic.......Patrick Robinson and Malcolm Jenkins.
Everything else is a wash.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:01 AM   #43
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I'm also very skeptical about players transitioning to a new linebacking position, although I'm admittedly a bit ignorant as to the technical aspects of the transition.

My hope is that in the Falcons game our defense comes with an element of surprise. They're not used to playing us in this way and maybe we can capitalize on that.

But I have a very sinking feeling that we're going to see some major running lanes in the defense as they try to figure things out.
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I think this is easily the most significant year of the Sean Payton era. IF these new guys on D turn out to be any good, or really good, then we know we are set -- that we have them locked in at low low Brees-friendly prices for the next 3 or so years to grow and get even better. If they're bad, then we know we are looking at continuing on squandering and wasting the next 2-3 years of Brees' talent, and the whole window starts shutting very rapidly. It's make or break.

The defense last year was the worst in history....I get that Poydras and everyone else is frustrated and skeptical, because of that....but here's the deal. Part of that was lack of big-play talent, yeah...but a BIG part of that, specifically to Poydras's fears, was it was bad last year because the unit GAVE UP on Spagnuola, as per the anonymous Saints defender who spoke out around New Years' Day.....they stopped believing in him, they basically started tuning him out. He pissed off the other coaches (according to the anonymous player), he couldn't make adjustments, it wasn't working, and one by one they slowly gave up and lay down on him....

So for most of the latter part of the season, that means Spagnola is there in the team meetings and he's up there at the podium going WAH WAH WAH WAH, like the trombone parents in Charlie Brown, and no one is listening to him....plus there was no REAL head coach to step in and say "WHAT THE ____ IS GOING ON?" when the defense under-performs week after week.

If you go back and read the actual quotes from the "anonymous player" you will see the whole year EXPLAINED in great detail. From the perspective of a player. I just re-read the interview with fresh eyes, and it's a real eye opener to read it NOW with some distance on it.

So in short: yes, the defense last year was really miserably bad. But it actually was WORSE, than it really truly was.

New Orleans Saints player: Steve Spagnuolo should be fired as defensive coordinator | NOLA.com
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:09 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN View Post
I bleed black and gold but I am also realistic I know that I can't always look through the back and gold spectacles either of course the defense has shown some improvement but I don't think its as big to say there mid pack even you have to remember those starter for some of those games weren't playing much beside they first few drives either and I don't think any didn't not score on the first drive plus with the exception of Houston none have very great offenses that scare anyone . Houston first team tore us up if you recall weather it was Johnson gouging us with big play after big play or it was 2nd Teamer Ben Tate gashing us for big runs. it was getting ugly Brees was getting hit and aside from the big screen our offense did nothing really

I am not trying to sway your realism, maybe just add a little perspective.

Preseason, base, bland, defense with 1/4 of your starters not on the field is not exactly a good sample size to evaluate what the season will look like.. is it?

Preseason is the 4 game period in the season when you try things, not prove things. Had we dominated in preseason I will still be playing the same fiddle trying to temper enthusiasm as we would have dominated against vanilla offenses trying things..

Look brother youve been around long enough to know that what separates 1st and second string is .15 of a second in speed... As small as that is, its huge on the field, its the difference between a sack and a 50 yard TD pass. We have had a good bit of starters on both sides of the ball (key people) watching from the sidelines.

What I am doing is taking that into account and also understanding that Defenses are always behind Offenses during regular season in regards to catching up. So, if we look like total crap in week 4 I will panic besides you.. Until then I am going to let things develop naturally as they will do anyway.

That my friend is my realistic view of the Saints so far in 2013.

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I think this is easily the most significant year of the Sean Payton era. IF these new guys on D turn out to be any good, or really good, then we know we are set -- that we have them locked in at low low Brees-friendly prices for the next 3 or so years to grow and get even better. If they're bad, then we know we are looking at continuing on squandering and wasting the next 2-3 years of Brees' talent, and the whole window starts shutting very rapidly. It's make or break.

The defense last year was the worst in history....I get that Poydras and everyone else is frustrated and skeptical, because of that....but here's the deal. Part of that was lack of big-play talent, yeah...but a BIG part of that, specifically to Poydras's fears, was it was bad last year because the unit GAVE UP on Spagnuola, as per the anonymous Saints defender who spoke out around New Years' Day.....they stopped believing in him, they basically started tuning him out. He pissed off the other coaches (according to the anonymous player), he couldn't make adjustments, it wasn't working, and one by one they slowly gave up and lay down on him....

So for most of the latter part of the season, that means Spagnola is there in the team meetings and he's up there at the podium going WAH WAH WAH WAH, like the trombone parents in Charlie Brown, and no one is listening to him....plus there was no REAL head coach to step in and say "WHAT THE ____ IS GOING ON?" when the defense under-performs week after week.

If you go back and read the actual quotes from the "anonymous player" you will see the whole year EXPLAINED in great detail. From the perspective of a player. I just re-read the interview with fresh eyes, and it's a real eye opener to read it NOW with some distance on it.

So in short: yes, the defense last year was really miserably bad. But it actually was WORSE, than it really truly was.

New Orleans Saints player: Steve Spagnuolo should be fired as defensive coordinator | NOLA.com
I agree, I believe what scares most people is the lack of experience on Defense.. If I recall Seattle did pretty good with a very young defense last year didn't they? A youth movement is not a negative, its just an unknown.

1/2 of their team has 2 years or less of NFL experience.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:19 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
Wow, its not often that I disagree with every word of a postthis long.

LB's aren't the foundation of a 3-4, the D-line is. And this is the best D-line we've had since LeRoi Glover was here.

Our LB's are better than any group we've had since the dome patrol. Do you really miss Scott Shanle?

Bringing back Meachem doesn't prove our WR's are weak at all. How in the world do you make that jump?

Did you forget about adding Ben Watson to team with Graham? We set NFL records with a nearly dead Devery Henderson as our #2 wideout. Good grief thats unbelieveable.

And a total overhaul next year? That is just totally ridiculous.

This might be the worst post I've seen here in years.
Thanks, Danno. You just saved me the time of typing the very same response!
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:23 AM   #48
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This might be the worst post I've seen here in years.
Looks like I need to try harder...

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Old 09-04-2013, 11:32 AM   #49
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Looks like I need to try harder...
Well, remember it's a world of only .15 seconds between the starter and the backup!
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Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN View Post
some constructive criticism is always a good thing it may not be what you wanna hear but some times but a necessary thing and its also na´ve of us to think our team is unstoppable and everything is hunky dory
Constructive criticism is fine if its based on realism. His was not.

No one seriously thinks were unstoppable and everything is honky dory. There isn't a team in the league that's unstoppable.
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