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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by cmike I put more blame on Matt though, if your gonna slide get down sooner to protect yourself. Drew ran once and slide with no defender within 10 yards. Protect yourself Matt and stop trying to squeak ...

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Old 09-08-2013, 09:05 PM   #21
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I put more blame on Matt though, if your gonna slide get down sooner to protect yourself. Drew ran once and slide with no defender within 10 yards. Protect yourself Matt and stop trying to squeak out every yard.
Peyton Manning was notorious for trying to squeeze out every last inch and basically crawl into the slide for a couple more yards. Either go down immediately or be prepared to get nailed penalty or no penalty.

I think the NFL changed the rule because of him that you are down where you start but not sure. Defenders should not have to pull back the second they go into the motion is how I see it. 30 degree angle or 5 degrees with the ground it should not matter. Until you are on the ground it's open season on the QB.
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Old 09-08-2013, 09:55 PM   #22
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Re: Saints cheap shots on Matty Lice??

To say if the Penalty on Vaccaro was warranted or not, I dunno.

The thing about that play was the fact both the dive and slid almost happened at the same time, you can tell that Vaccaro tried to pull back, which is why he never completely slammed the living hell out of Ryan.

What kind of bothers me about it though is Daunte Whitner of the 49ers is quite famous for plays like this and he never gets flagged for it, if be on QB or anyone else.
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Old 09-08-2013, 09:56 PM   #23
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Peyton Manning was notorious for trying to squeeze out every last inch and basically crawl into the slide for a couple more yards. Either go down immediately or be prepared to get nailed penalty or no penalty.

I think the NFL changed the rule because of him that you are down where you start but not sure. Defenders should not have to pull back the second they go into the motion is how I see it. 30 degree angle or 5 degrees with the ground it should not matter. Until you are on the ground it's open season on the QB.

You down where you start has been a rule for years, most likely enforced during the Steve Young years.
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Cheap? Uh, no. It cost us 15 yards.lol
Seriously though, I think it was overly aggressive and was not intended to be cheap.
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Old 09-08-2013, 10:14 PM   #25
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Re: Saints cheap shots on Matty Lice??

I only saw the first one - Vaccaro flagged for 15. I do think the ref has to throw the flag there, because Roger would fire them if they didn't.

Was it a cheap shot? No. Not on this or any other planet. It's FOOTBALL, or at least it is for now...
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I hope it never comes down to flag football...
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Old 09-08-2013, 10:20 PM   #27
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Re: Saints cheap shots on Matty Lice??

He got flagged for it. Thats what happens. Roddy Whites constant push offs are just as cheap as far as sportsmanship goes. I also give Kenny a pass because he is a rookie. The rest of the hits were legit and Ryan got what he deserved. Not our fault his line cannot protect an STD.
I have a feeling behind that line Ryan won't last half the season.
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Peyton Manning was notorious for trying to squeeze out every last inch and basically crawl into the slide for a couple more yards. Either go down immediately or be prepared to get nailed penalty or no penalty.

I think the NFL changed the rule because of him that you are down where you start but not sure. Defenders should not have to pull back the second they go into the motion is how I see it. 30 degree angle or 5 degrees with the ground it should not matter. Until you are on the ground it's open season on the QB.
I couldnt see who it was but I saw one of our defenders flat out stop to a stand still to keep from hitting Ryan, he was right in his face and Ryan still had the ball. Had he kept going Ryan would have been crushed and it would have been legal.
These rules are making these defenders scared to do their jobs.
Seriously our guy just ran up to him and stopped right in his face and just threw his arms up like he was trying to scare him. It was actuallly kind of funny.
Anyone else see this?
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That win was just so sweet but yes, there was a cheap shot on Matt Ryan and I was annoyed because not only did it cost us 15 yards (well, half the distance to the goal) but I never condone anything that we would be mad about if it happened to Drew or any other of our players. And for those of you saying he was already on the way, not true. I dislike the Falcons as much as the next Who Dat but it was a cheap shot and they have a right to be peeved. It was the same I felt when, a few years ago, Roman Harper blatantly hit someone in the endzone when the ball was harmless, it cost us then too. He is a rookie but I hope the coaches tell him that that kind of play is not welcome.
I loved it, I thought that hit set the tone. That told every hey this isn't the same D as last year, you're not just going to do what you want there. It was worth the 15 yards.

Now if he does it again I might be upset. But at that moment that is something that needed to be done.
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That win was just so sweet but yes, there was a cheap shot on Matt Ryan and I was annoyed because not only did it cost us 15 yards (well, half the distance to the goal) but I never condone anything that we would be mad about if it happened to Drew or any other of our players. And for those of you saying he was already on the way, not true. I dislike the Falcons as much as the next Who Dat but it was a cheap shot and they have a right to be peeved. It was the same I felt when, a few years ago, Roman Harper blatantly hit someone in the endzone when the ball was harmless, it cost us then too. He is a rookie but I hope the coaches tell him that that kind of play is not welcome.
I loved it, I thought that hit set the tone. That told every hey this isn't the same D as last year, you're not just going to do what you want there. It was worth the 15 yards.

Now if he does it again I might be upset. But at that moment that is something that needed to be done.

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