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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Danno I'm no X & O genius, but I see what I see. When Ingram gets the ball, he's surrounded by defenders 2-3 yards behind the LOS. When our other RB's get the ball, they aren't. Its ...

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Old 09-10-2013, 07:12 PM   #21
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I'm no X & O genius, but I see what I see.

When Ingram gets the ball, he's surrounded by defenders 2-3 yards behind the LOS.

When our other RB's get the ball, they aren't.

Its been that way for 2 years.

I'm not smart enough to get past that one.
We see the same thing Danno. I have said before, it looks like he closes his eyes and runs into out linemens asses. So it's either Ingram or an offensive line conspiracy?

I don't see a conspiracy as he is too quiet from what I don't read about him. If he is hitting the hole too soon there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield. Is there a chance he is hitting the hole too late? It doesn't look that way but speed can be deceiving in the NFL. Anomaly where Ingram on the field makes LBrs faster?

Even when he tries to get around the end he ends up getting skated out.

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Here is what I noticed Sunday. Ingram has no peripheral vision. He doesn't see things like PT does and therefore can not make things happen. He lacks the vision at this level that he needs.....apparently the game hasn't slowed down for him yet.
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True but sproles had literally the same stats as ingram minus his receiving totals
What?
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This is a problem that won't go away. We have been talks g about it since the playoff loss to Seattle.
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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
We see the same thing Danno. I have said before, it looks like he closes his eyes and runs into out linemens asses. So it's either Ingram or an offensive line conspiracy?

I don't see a conspiracy as he is too quiet from what I don't read about him. If he is hitting the hole too soon there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield. Is there a chance he is hitting the hole too late? It doesn't look that way but speed can be deceiving in the NFL. Anomaly where Ingram on the field makes LBrs faster?

Even when he tries to get around the end he ends up getting skated out.
It's simple, the defense picks up on Ingram and commits. Multiple times they're busting through before Brees gets the ball off. It's too obvious.
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Old 09-12-2013, 03:15 AM   #26
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The problem with so many running backs is we specialize them too much. As a defense, all you have to do is study tape and you'll take Ingram down every time in the backfield.

P.T. gets more variety than Ingram, which makes him a bit more illusive and successful. Ingram maybe had 1 or 2 holes against the Falcons.
I don't buy that excuse cause Ivory had those same holes without any variety and he did better. Ingram just not illusive, he just a brute runner. It work for him in college but the linebackers and safeties in the pros are much better tacklers
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Old 09-12-2013, 05:16 AM   #27
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Originally Posted by Cory9289 View Post
It's simple, the defense picks up on Ingram and commits. Multiple times they're busting through before Brees gets the ball off. It's too obvious.
So the defense also knows the snap count? Our o-line is weaker when Ingram is in thus the defenses ability to "bust through"?


I think Rugby Saints II hit the nail fairly close to the head, if the truth were known, id wager that PT doesn't always hit the intended hole, he makes it work.
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