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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by TheOak News flash..... He already has that power. It would be putting no more power in Goodell's hands. He has all the power possible. You do realize that punishments for personal fouls are recommended to Goodell by ...

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Old 09-16-2013, 04:33 PM   #11
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Re: Egregious Personal Fouls

Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
News flash..... He already has that power.

It would be putting no more power in Goodell's hands. He has all the power possible. You do realize that punishments for personal fouls are recommended to Goodell by a panel and for on the field violations, and his punishments are appealable to someone else. Did you follow Bounty Gate at all?

Like I said, if you want to stop an employee from doing things he shouldn't, you hit the person paying him to do it.

Thanks for popping off though.
You're right lets give him the power to take any teams draft pick away at will. He does have this now but put on a dog and pony show to get it done with bounty-gate.

Unlike you i am uneasy about giving good ole Roger any more power than what he already has, it would be after all at his discretion and we all know how well appeals work in the NFL (has anything EVER been reduced ... nope). Followed bounty-gate plenty enough to know this is an awful idea!

The punishments being levied are enough as they stand. You will see suspensions come from the Tampa game... per Adam Schefner.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:36 PM   #12
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This is the world we live in.

No wait. I'm still in California.

dammit...

Y U NO Move!
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You're right lets give him the power to take any teams draft pick away at will. He does have this now but put on a dog and pony show to get it done with bounty-gate.

Unlike you i am uneasy about giving good ole Roger any more power than what he already has, it would be after all at his discretion and we all know how well appeals work in the NFL (has anything EVER been reduced ... nope). Followed bounty-gate plenty enough to know this is an awful idea!

The punishments being levied are enough as they stand. You will see suspensions come from the Tampa game... per Adam Schefner.
Some of these hits are not about fines... They are about broken necks, ended careers, and death.

I'm more interested in stopping them than the BS fines and suspensions.


You know how well that frikken system works?

" Since 2010, Bucs S Dashon Goldson has 15 personal fouls, more than any NFL player."

"Last week, Goldson revealed he was fined for his hit on Jets' tight end Jeff Cumberland. The hit resulted in Cumberland getting stitches on his chin. The amount of the fine was $30,000.

Goldson is no stranger to getting fined by the league. In his career, he has totaled $107,000 in fines from the league office. After last week's game, Schiano hinted that the team's physical nature would not change and it showed Sunday."


"As it stands", your system ain't workin bro.

And this coach is driving it, and condoning it.

"“We’re going to try to aim for the strike zone, which is what we talk about all the time,” Schiano said after Week 1. “We have videos that we show and we’re just going to have to try to be better at it. But again, I want us flying around the way we flew around yesterday because that was as hard a hitting a Bucs defense as has been here in a long time. So we’re going to keep doing it, we just have to keep doing it within the framework.”

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Old 09-16-2013, 06:14 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Some of these hits are not about fines... They are about broken necks, ended careers, and death.

I'm more interested in stopping them than the BS fines and suspensions.


You know how well that frikken system works?

" Since 2010, Bucs S Dashon Goldson has 15 personal fouls, more than any NFL player."

"Last week, Goldson revealed he was fined for his hit on Jets' tight end Jeff Cumberland. The hit resulted in Cumberland getting stitches on his chin. The amount of the fine was $30,000.

Goldson is no stranger to getting fined by the league. In his career, he has totaled $107,000 in fines from the league office. After last week's game, Schiano hinted that the team's physical nature would not change and it showed Sunday."


"As it stands", your system ain't workin bro.

And this coach is driving it, and condoning it.

"“We’re going to try to aim for the strike zone, which is what we talk about all the time,” Schiano said after Week 1. “We have videos that we show and we’re just going to have to try to be better at it. But again, I want us flying around the way we flew around yesterday because that was as hard a hitting a Bucs defense as has been here in a long time. So we’re going to keep doing it, we just have to keep doing it within the framework.”
Goldson was just suspended for 1 game... The league is taking a tougher stance on these hits. I don't disagree that Schiano need to be looked into as far as bounties/targeting players.

Either way Schiano has assured himself of being fired after this season. The most unprofessional coach this league has ever seen.
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Re: Egregious Personal Fouls

I do agree with Oak, the teams should be held responsible, (which is what a suspension does, in effect)but it would be nice if the owners collectively had some representative who doled this out, rather than just an all-powerful commissioner.
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The most unprofessional coach this league has ever seen.
agree with that too. Im flashing back to Jerry Glanville.
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Old 09-16-2013, 09:22 PM   #16
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There is no perfect plan. Especially for off field problems. You can't normally blame that on the organization. It isn't the Pats fault that Hernandez CPU,d very well be a psycho.
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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
The hit on Graham is a prime example.

Someone threw up a foul penalty box idea and that may work, but it still only effects the player ...
Gotta' disagree with ya' there buddy ... you take a Dashon Goldson outta' Tampa Bay's secondary for a specified amount of time (say for one quarter) and let Drew Brees throw at his replacement, it damn sure is gonna' affect the team & ultimately the scoreboard ... same goes for if you'd sit a Ndamukong Suh for a quarter and let a Lions opponent run roughshod through or pass over that Suh-less defensive line. Take Clay Matthews outta' the Green Bay defense, that ain't gonna' hurt the team?

The guys receiving these fines/suspensions are playmakers and taking them off the field is gonna' hurt. Let a team lose a game or two because their star 'nasty' was put off the field for a questionable hit and you can be damn sure the teams will police themselves.

The only way to hurt a millionaire with a fine is to fine him a million dollars, IMO.

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Old 09-17-2013, 07:21 AM   #18
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The penalty box idea would work, like it does in hockey, because it causes the actions of an individual to hurt the TEAM, instead of help the team, thus putting the stigma on the person who made the egregious play, where it belongs, turning the team and the coaches and the fans against the dirty player, instead of them celebrating him....another alternative way to do it that would be totally unfair, but would absolutely 100% work to stop dirty hits? To fine the WHOLE DEFENSIVE UNIT for a dirty or questionable hit -- every player listed on the defense gets a fine, whether they were on the bench or on the field or even on IR. You get a guy like Goldson or the guy who hit Graham, making headhunter hits like that, with it affecting the wallets of all 20-something guys in the unit, who ride home with him on the plane and watch film with him on Mondays? The hits would stop .... or the players in question would play themselves out of a job. That would be a way to let the locker room police itself and let the players enforce what the league cannot. Because nobody can survive in the NFL if the other players in that locker room don't have your back or aren't on your side.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:41 AM   #19
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The hit on Jimmy is when I wish Kyle Turley was still around. Or a person of his equal.

I would have drug that SOB by the face mask until his head popped off!

Call me what you want, but I would have been looking for the oportunity to give that guy a helmet to knee cap hit. So I give our guys a bunch of kudos for "self restraint".
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:32 AM   #20
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Goldson gets a 1 game suspension, the league should make him miss the 12/29 game against us. Why should another team get the advantage of not having him on the field? Maybe they should make it a rule that game suspension will be enforced that way when done in division.
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