Egregious Personal Fouls
 

The hit on Graham is a prime example.

Someone threw up a foul penalty box idea and that may work, but it still only effects the player. He is getting paid regardless, and $30K in fines is chump change to some of these guys. If you really want to stop the egregious head spears etc... You have to not hit the player but the organization, the coach, the owner... not in the pocket but where it really hurts... and hit them hard.. Saints fans know what that is like don't we? :-)

I am willing to bet a case of your favorite beverage, or a Shrimp Po-Boy for some, that I could put an end to this BS... Dont touch the player... Hit the team allowing him to do that with reduction in Cap Space and see if the crap doesn't end very quickly.

How many head spears would be avoided if the penalty was $500,000 against next years cap space for each and every one, and after 3 in a season for the same team they lose a draft pick next season? The owner and GM would put an end to it very quickly.

For those that think the league is becoming too soft, Tim Ryan said it best...

"You think the NFL has become soft bro? Take your azz and spend 30 minutes on the field between the tackles then come back and tell me how soft it is."

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".....$500,000 against next years cap space for each and every one,"

The Saints would be down $500,000 after Vaccaro's hit wouldn't they?

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There would have to be stipulations to the rule, which I don't feel Vaccaro's hit would qualify. Neither do I think the hit to Brees would qualify, didn't look like he was aiming for the head.

However, the hit to Graham was a blatant attempt to put him out of the game with a concussion.

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500,000K against the cap is ridiculous and penalizing the team altogether is egregious. Why on God's green earth would we want more power in Roger's hands? Would you really want him being able to say "The Saints have lost their 1st round pick due to having personal foul penalties"? NO THANKS!!

However I do think Tampa needs to be investigated for a bounty program!

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The fines shouldn't be a fixed number - they should fine a fixed percentage of a salary.

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Bingo!

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News flash..... He already has that power.

It would be putting no more power in Goodell's hands. He has all the power possible. You do realize that punishments for personal fouls are recommended to Goodell by a panel and for on the field violations, and his punishments are appealable to someone else. Did you follow Bounty Gate at all?

Like I said, if you want to stop an employee from doing things he shouldn't, you hit the person paying him to do it.

Thanks for popping off though.

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Nahh that won't work. A player making $10M a year should be fined more than a guy making $500k a year for the same hit just because he makes more money?

Sounds familiar but belongs in the Poli area :p

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Oak, I like the idea. Don't stop on the field though.

Drug conviction? Hit em.
DUI? Hit em.
Felonies? Hit em harder!

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This is the world we live in.

No wait. I'm still in California.

dammit...

:brood:

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You're right lets give him the power to take any teams draft pick away at will. He does have this now but put on a dog and pony show to get it done with bounty-gate.

Unlike you i am uneasy about giving good ole Roger any more power than what he already has, it would be after all at his discretion and we all know how well appeals work in the NFL (has anything EVER been reduced ... nope). Followed bounty-gate plenty enough to know this is an awful idea!

The punishments being levied are enough as they stand. You will see suspensions come from the Tampa game... per Adam Schefner.

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Y U NO Move!
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Some of these hits are not about fines... They are about broken necks, ended careers, and death.

I'm more interested in stopping them than the BS fines and suspensions.


You know how well that frikken system works?

" Since 2010, Bucs S Dashon Goldson has 15 personal fouls, more than any NFL player."

"Last week, Goldson revealed he was fined for his hit on Jets' tight end Jeff Cumberland. The hit resulted in Cumberland getting stitches on his chin. The amount of the fine was $30,000.

Goldson is no stranger to getting fined by the league. In his career, he has totaled $107,000 in fines from the league office. After last week's game, Schiano hinted that the team's physical nature would not change and it showed Sunday."


"As it stands", your system ain't workin bro.

And this coach is driving it, and condoning it.

"“We’re going to try to aim for the strike zone, which is what we talk about all the time,” Schiano said after Week 1. “We have videos that we show and we’re just going to have to try to be better at it. But again, I want us flying around the way we flew around yesterday because that was as hard a hitting a Bucs defense as has been here in a long time. So we’re going to keep doing it, we just have to keep doing it within the framework.”

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Goldson was just suspended for 1 game... The league is taking a tougher stance on these hits. I don't disagree that Schiano need to be looked into as far as bounties/targeting players.

Either way Schiano has assured himself of being fired after this season. The most unprofessional coach this league has ever seen.

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I do agree with Oak, the teams should be held responsible, (which is what a suspension does, in effect)but it would be nice if the owners collectively had some representative who doled this out, rather than just an all-powerful commissioner. agree with that too. Im flashing back to Jerry Glanville.

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There is no perfect plan. Especially for off field problems. You can't normally blame that on the organization. It isn't the Pats fault that Hernandez CPU,d very well be a psycho.

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Gotta' disagree with ya' there buddy ... you take a Dashon Goldson outta' Tampa Bay's secondary for a specified amount of time (say for one quarter) and let Drew Brees throw at his replacement, it damn sure is gonna' affect the team & ultimately the scoreboard ... same goes for if you'd sit a Ndamukong Suh for a quarter and let a Lions opponent run roughshod through or pass over that Suh-less defensive line. Take Clay Matthews outta' the Green Bay defense, that ain't gonna' hurt the team?

The guys receiving these fines/suspensions are playmakers and taking them off the field is gonna' hurt. Let a team lose a game or two because their star 'nasty' was put off the field for a questionable hit and you can be damn sure the teams will police themselves.

The only way to hurt a millionaire with a fine is to fine him a million dollars, IMO.

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The penalty box idea would work, like it does in hockey, because it causes the actions of an individual to hurt the TEAM, instead of help the team, thus putting the stigma on the person who made the egregious play, where it belongs, turning the team and the coaches and the fans against the dirty player, instead of them celebrating him....another alternative way to do it that would be totally unfair, but would absolutely 100% work to stop dirty hits? To fine the WHOLE DEFENSIVE UNIT for a dirty or questionable hit -- every player listed on the defense gets a fine, whether they were on the bench or on the field or even on IR. You get a guy like Goldson or the guy who hit Graham, making headhunter hits like that, with it affecting the wallets of all 20-something guys in the unit, who ride home with him on the plane and watch film with him on Mondays? The hits would stop .... or the players in question would play themselves out of a job. That would be a way to let the locker room police itself and let the players enforce what the league cannot. Because nobody can survive in the NFL if the other players in that locker room don't have your back or aren't on your side.

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The hit on Jimmy is when I wish Kyle Turley was still around. Or a person of his equal.

I would have drug that SOB by the face mask until his head popped off!

Call me what you want, but I would have been looking for the oportunity to give that guy a helmet to knee cap hit. So I give our guys a bunch of kudos for "self restraint".

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Goldson gets a 1 game suspension, the league should make him miss the 12/29 game against us. Why should another team get the advantage of not having him on the field? Maybe they should make it a rule that game suspension will be enforced that way when done in division.

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Come on gents.. You are shooting the messenger and not the sender.

What is going on on the field is driven by the Organizations culture and it is based on risk/reward.

Is it coincidence that certain teams like the Raiders were home to some of the dirtiest players in football? No sir. That was driven by Al Davis.

Is it coincidence that the Steelers were fined 13 times for $182,000 in 2011?

Is it coincidence that the Ravens were the heaviest fined team in 2012 with $237,875 with $126,000 of that going to Ed Reed?

Unnecessary Roughness
Top 3 so far in 2013
San Francisco
Baltimore
Tampa bay

2012
Baltimore
San Francisco

The risk/reward

Risk ~ Division Game Sunday Night, risk losing Goldsen for a game against the Patriots a non division, non conference game.

Reward ~ Take out Brees, Graham, Sproles... If you knock any one of those players out of that game and we lose.

If I were the sort of Coach that played that way that is a risk I would take every day for that reward.

As far as for fining all the players, you cant by CBA. On placing a stigma on the offending player.. I have yet to see he fans, team, or anyone turn on Suh, Harrison..

Suspending players for a few games has yet to deter anything what so ever... Since 1 Jan 2013 23 NFL players have been suspended for violations of the leagues substance abuse policy... Are suspensions working? NOPE. There is a depth chart for that...

Will the word Bounty ever be murmured in a Saints locker room again? Nope... Because the organization and the culture were hit. And if there were never a Bounty program to start with, you can bet there will never be one started.

I am fully appreciate that not many see my point of view. There is overwhelming evidence to show that fines and suspensions and "player punishment" do not work... They keep on keeping on. At some point the risk has to become greater than the reward.

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Can't wait for the Bucs-Lions game Thanksgiving weekend. It's gonna be a flag-fest!!

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Should probably just throw Suh and Goldsen some meat cleavers and let em start hacking after the coin flip.

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I was thinking the same thing after that hit on graham. I like the idea that if a team gets a certain number of personal fouls they start losing time outs. If one player continues to do it they get ejected in addition.

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Ejection from that actual game is possible like college... immediate impact. However there are some that are not called penalties on the field but fined later...


Anyway since I can not get people to understand my point I will just play hardball.

We sit here week in, and week out, and read about players that have their season or careers ended... voicing "I would never want to see another player hurt"!

But cheer, condone, and try to protect the very actions that cause some of those very tragedies.

Hypocrisy?

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Suh is always in rare form on Thanksgiving Day ... it's almost a given he's gonna' do something stupid in this game every year ... on national TV, in front of the home crowd, :rolleyes:. I don't know what it is, but it sure seems he don't like playing/is in a bad mood on Turkey Day, :lol:.

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I thought it was obvious... Look at Suh... Does he look like someone that wants to work during lunch on the biggest feast day of the year?

This year he gets some Aaron Rodgers.

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"Egregious Personal Fouls" didn't he play RB for the Patriots?

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He don't like no stinkin' Turkey.

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Fine the team and player. Add in suspensions as well.

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Bounty part deux?