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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Some people just don't appreciate greatness until its gone I guess, finally the Saints land a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback and some want to tear him down every chance they get. Here's a great idea lets cut Drew so ...

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Old 09-17-2013, 08:55 AM   #21
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Some people just don't appreciate greatness until its gone I guess, finally the Saints land a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback and some want to tear him down every chance they get. Here's a great idea lets cut Drew so we can save money and bring back some scabs with the talent of the Billy Joe's or Aaron Brooks. Back when someone told me "to make money, you got to SPEND money", no difference here. When you have one of the best quarterbacks in the league, expenses come with that. Besides Bushrod will not be missed this season, any lineman that needs a chip block on damn near every play can easily be replaced

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Old 09-17-2013, 09:02 AM   #22
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I said it for years. As pass happy as we have been has taken a toll on Brees arm. Nothing we could have done about it but concentrate on the ground game which we did, but not as well as we needed to.
Hes getting old but he is still a top 5 qb. Payton just needs to adjust to the situation. Our line is more of a factor I think. Losing Kromer was huge.
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I've given up trying to understand it! It's like people have this pre-written doom and gloom narrative about the contract in their heads, and THEN they watch the games looking for it. Every little thing that fits the narrative, gets amped up and blown out of proportion by them.....Every thing that doesn't fit that narrative, gets IGNORED, including 2-0 and Drew's amazing, 32nd career come-from-behind-4th-quarter drive. That's the 15th time he has done this for them in the 4th quarter, as a Saint, and STILL people are not happy with him!

Homer07 just proved it...show him facts and cap evidence to the contrary and it's "nope, sorry" and he repeats the same line about the contract as before.

The fact of the matter is that I've concluded this fan base is extremely SPOILED. I could not believe that drive at that end of the game. After it was over I had to leave the room, I was walking up and down, pacing around the house, I couldn't sit still -- I couldn't believe what I had seen. People in my family called me and texted me on the phone, the second the kick went through, to share the moment....

I thought I would log on here in this forum on Monday morning and see people raving, out of their minds about how beautiful a thing that drive was.... I looked around and it seems like almost NOBODY here talked about it, at all -- all they do is b-tch and moan about the contract, and Brees underthrowing, this and that, nitpicking and grumbling.

I cannot believe that people are kvetching and *****ing about Brees, and not appreciating what happened in the last 1:06 of that game. To do that with no time outs and no sidelines? If you're not completely pumped up and ready to chug the Drew Brees Nyquil after that drive, if you think that was ho-hum football, then something is not right with your head. That game was basically a lower scoring version of the ugly awful 49ers playoff game, except THIS TIME WE WON.
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I'm not sure what's wrong with him, but he's going on the bench this week and I'm starting Mike Vick. I would have never made this move in the past.
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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
And I'm confident we have that... All day.
Just need to rearrange a few pieces.
Define "a few"...

Payton indicated the desire to run a zone blocking scheme.

2013 would be inaugural season, if so.

Do we need 4 new O linemen then??

If not, how long does it take to run an effective zone RBS??
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
Define "a few"...

Payton indicated the desire to run a zone blocking scheme.

2013 would be inaugural season, if so.

Do we need 4 new O linemen then??

If not, how long does it take to run an effective zone RBS??
Thomas and Sproles the usual... Maybe 5 more touches to Thomas, bench Ingram and lets see if K. Robinson is what we think he is... A Chris Ivory that stays healthy.

Honestly Sproles and Thomas are getting it done as we are.

If you go through the play by play and focus on Ingram, you will see that he had an awful lot of second and third and shorts that he didnt make the 2-3 yards on for a 1st down.

Ingram's YPC is not as damaging as his failures on 2-1, 2-2, 4-1 in the goal line... He didnt get at least 2 first downs and one TD where we needed no more than one to two yards.


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Zone Blocking scheme is actually easier to run and favors fleet footed athletic linemen that usually get over powered by big d-linemen. Ive seen some of that going on lol.

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So from what you are saying, the Saints offensive line should pick up a ZBS in like 5 minutes or maybe half a practice?
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Re: Between a Rock and a Hard Place ...

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
Define "a few"...

Payton indicated the desire to run a zone blocking scheme.

2013 would be inaugural season, if so.

Do we need 4 new O linemen then??

If not, how long does it take to run an effective zone RBS??
IIRC we ran a zone blocking scheme in the 09 season. Thomas was the only one who ran behind that zone scheme and that could have a lot to do with his success. Even with that being said I still blame Ingram for his inability to get the running game going.

Most of his carries are loss of yards or no gains... he actually sets the offense back when he gets the ball. I would hate on the guy less if he actually got 2 ypc. Hell, he even had a false start against Tampa... so disappointed in Ingram.
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So from what you are saying, the Saints offensive line should pick up a ZBS in like 5 minutes or maybe half a practice?
What i am saying is that our blocking issues are not scheme related, the o-line just doesnt get it done when Ingram touches the ball consistently.... Or the o-line is just not getting it done... Drew's hits, hurries, and sacks tell that story.

Thomas ave 4.8 YPC against Atlanta and 5.8 against Tampon Bay... Do we use a different line for PT to run? Does he have the ability to see running paths that no one else can see? Does our offensive line just dislike Ingram?

Seriously.. When one consistently gets it done and the other doesn't, that sort of narrows some things down, doesn't it?
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I was joking about how the Saints o-line can easily get over powered by bigger defensive lineman but I like your FACTS, you can't argue against facts
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