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Old 09-25-2013, 11:01 AM   #101
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Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty

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The thread I mentioned earlier: Saints use of Mark Ingram borders on criminal - Page 3 - The Shark Pool (NFL Talk) - Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

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Not a pretty picture... top 10 carries/snaps for RB with more than 18 snaps + Ingram @ 18
Snps Carries PCT YPC
mathews 20 13 0.650 2.5
cj2k 43 25 0.581 2.8
williams 31 17 0.548 5.1
f jax 26 13 0.500 5.2
ingram 18 9 0.500 1.2
mccoy 65 31 0.477 5.9
spiller 37 17 0.459 2.4
mendenhall 35 16 0.457 3.8
tate 20 9 0.450 6.1
charles 36 16 0.444 4.8


For his career, Ivory is averaging an astonishing 5.1 yards per carry (compared to the 3.9 of Ingram) despite the fact that when he's in the game it's a telltale sign the Saints are running (74.9 percent of his snaps were on running plays), letting the offense key in on him.

I am not lamenting that we traded away Ivory, but when you see he still managed over 5.1 yards a carry even though his carry-to-snap ratio is a full 15% higher than Ingram (74 vs. 59), the "Ingram always faces 8 man fronts" argument becomes pretty much indefensible.
Actually Ivory is down to 4.9 now since he is only averaging 2.8 this year and oh by the way out with a hamstring injury.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:16 AM   #102
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Actually Ivory is down to 4.9 now since he is only averaging 2.8 this year and oh by the way out with a hamstring injury.
And that imo is the main reason why we traded him. I had absolutely no problem at all with the trade. In fact just about every player we have parted ways with has had their production drop off our wound up injured. Looks like we know when to trade.
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And that imo is the main reason why we traded him. I had absolutely no problem at all with the trade. In fact just about every player we have parted ways with has had their production drop off our wound up injured. Looks like we know when to trade.
Maybe, but Vilma, Smith, Ellis, and a few others that past their prime needed to go a lot sooner but someone in the Saints front office looked at them like they do an old worn out pair of shoes and kept them around for sentimental value. He!! Vilma and Smith made the team this year both should have been long gone 2 years ago. Not so sure we know when to trade or let go, the jury is still out for me on that issue!!
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.......... sigh
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Why are people assuming the Cardinals defense was tired or gassed at the end? Up 'til then we had only one drive all day that was double-digit plays, everything else was actually pretty quick strikes or our famous three and outs.
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Why are people assuming the Cardinals defense was tired or gassed at the end? Up 'til then we had only one drive all day that was double-digit plays, everything else was actually pretty quick strikes or our famous three and outs.
Ive no clue... The assumption is that the 3rd ranked rushing defense got too tired to play and gave up.
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Why are people assuming the Cardinals defense was tired or gassed at the end? Up 'til then we had only one drive all day that was double-digit plays, everything else was actually pretty quick strikes or our famous three and outs.
So can we assume Robinson is that much better a RB than both PT and Sproles and should be starting immediately?
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Why are people assuming the Cardinals defense was tired or gassed at the end? Up 'til then we had only one drive all day that was double-digit plays, everything else was actually pretty quick strikes or our famous three and outs.
Time of possession was 35:31 for the Saints & 24:29 for Cards. KRob didn't enter the game until there was under 5 minutes left so that means their defense was already on the field more than 50% of the time and also it was 31-7. Maybe they gave up a little or wasn't playing as hard but clearly they were not the same looking defense the first 3 qtrs.
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So can we assume Robinson is that much better a RB than both PT and Sproles and should be starting immediately?
Should we continue to assume that Mark Ingram is a better back than PT and Sproles and should continue to start when he is consistently out performed by EVERY running back on our roster?
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Time of possession was 35:31 for the Saints & 24:29 for Cards. KRob didn't enter the game until there was under 5 minutes left so that means their defense was already on the field more than 50% of the time and also it was 31-7. Maybe they gave up a little or wasn't playing as hard but clearly they were not the same looking defense the first 3 qtrs.
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Do you think Ingram would have had the same success with those same carries?
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