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Old 09-24-2013, 02:35 PM   #81
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Video of him...

Runs hard and is great catching balls out of the backfield. If he can stay healthy we have a diamond in the rough here.

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Old 09-24-2013, 02:50 PM   #82
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But do you have the stats on what personnel the defenses were playing? That's what most of us are missing out on. I'm willing to bet the first beer that Ingram faces more base defense with the front 7 made up of DL and LB's and also a safety in the box compared to the rest facing nickle and dime packages that employ more smaller DB's.
Nope, I don't have that info.

I'd be willing to bet your right.
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Old 09-24-2013, 03:17 PM   #83
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Ok so he gets more base defense... Settled.

What do we do? Get a RB that can get it done regardless or ask the opponent to not run Base Defense with 7 man front? Don't run at all if we see 7 up front?

I prefer to think he had an aggravated injury than he is rather useless against a seven man front. .
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But do you have the stats on what personnel the defenses were playing? That's what most of us are missing out on. I'm willing to bet the first beer that Ingram faces more base defense with the front 7 made up of DL and LB's and also a safety in the box compared to the rest facing nickle and dime packages that employ more smaller DB's.
Last season Ingram lined up for 268 offensive snaps. Of those he rushed the ball 156 times. That's 58% of the time he came off the bench, he rushed the ball. That's the highest percentage in the NFL (of the 59 half backs with over 200 carries). Other than Ingram, only Stevan Ridley of the Patriots was over 50%.

Rush/Snap %
1 Mark Ingram 58.2%
2 Stevan Ridley 51.8%
3 Jammal Charles 47.9%
4 Bernard Pierce 47.6%
5 Shonn Green 47.3%

The league average was 34% for that same set of backs.

More than any other back in the NFL, if Mark Ingram was in, the play was likely to be a run. And with those kinds of percentages, it's logical to assume that defenses were told to play the run whenever number 28 was on the field.

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Old 09-24-2013, 05:32 PM   #85
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I just don't understand how anybody can have watched Ingram for two years and sees anything more than an average (at best) RB.

And the "every time he comes it's a run" arguement goes right out the window when look at what Ivory did when given a chance because it was the same situation for him.
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Old 09-24-2013, 05:35 PM   #86
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And the "every time he comes it's a run" arguement goes right out the window when look at what Ivory did when given a chance because it was the same situation for him.
Even moreso. The percentage of rushing plays when Ivory was in the game was something like 8 percent higher than Ingram, IIRC. There was a very good thread about this on Footballguys or Rotoworld a while back, illuminating stuff.
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Last season Ingram lined up for 268 offensive snaps. Of those he rushed the ball 156 times. That's 58% of the time he came off the bench, he rushed the ball. That's the highest percentage in the NFL (of the 59 half backs with over 200 carries). Other than Ingram, only Stevan Ridley of the Patriots was over 50%.

Rush/Snap %
1 Mark Ingram 58.2%
2 Stevan Ridley 51.8%
3 Jammal Charles 47.9%
4 Bernard Pierce 47.6%
5 Shonn Green 47.3%

The league average was 34% for that same set of backs.

More than any other back in the NFL, if Mark Ingram was in, the play was likely to be a run. And with those kinds of percentages, it's logical to assume that defenses were told to play the run whenever number 28 was on the field.

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That is what happens when that is all you can do. Should we let him punt?
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The thread I mentioned earlier: Saints use of Mark Ingram borders on criminal - Page 3 - The Shark Pool (NFL Talk) - Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

Highlights:

Not a pretty picture... top 10 carries/snaps for RB with more than 18 snaps + Ingram @ 18
Snps Carries PCT YPC
mathews 20 13 0.650 2.5
cj2k 43 25 0.581 2.8
williams 31 17 0.548 5.1
f jax 26 13 0.500 5.2
ingram 18 9 0.500 1.2
mccoy 65 31 0.477 5.9
spiller 37 17 0.459 2.4
mendenhall 35 16 0.457 3.8
tate 20 9 0.450 6.1
charles 36 16 0.444 4.8


For his career, Ivory is averaging an astonishing 5.1 yards per carry (compared to the 3.9 of Ingram) despite the fact that when he's in the game it's a telltale sign the Saints are running (74.9 percent of his snaps were on running plays), letting the offense key in on him.

I am not lamenting that we traded away Ivory, but when you see he still managed over 5.1 yards a carry even though his carry-to-snap ratio is a full 15% higher than Ingram (74 vs. 59), the "Ingram always faces 8 man fronts" argument becomes pretty much indefensible.
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Any videos of Khiry running vs Cards
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Any videos of Khiry running vs Cards
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