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JKool 10-10-2004 02:59 PM

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Ok, we'll probably not win this game as it is going right now, but if one of our players gave up now, stopped fighting, stopped clawing, stopped running, we'd say he had no heart. If we do pull it out, it will be due to the work horses like Duece, Horn, and (I'm going to say it) Brooks. If we don't, it won't be because these guys lay down and died.

You know, if a player were going to come out with the attitude that he was going to lose, or if he gave up on the team half way through saying things like "same ol' Saints", there isn't a single guy on this board who wouldn't be all over his azz for having no heart.

All this makes me wonder the following: is it possible for fans to have no heart?

spkb25 10-10-2004 03:01 PM

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well its hard when u have no control over the game and the players do. all u can do is sit back and watch ur team put another bad performance together. i will say we have played better the 2nd half. the d has actually stepped up but we need another big play on this next possesion by tampa. they r going to try to run it down our throat most likely. we have to be up to the challenge again

luvboat 10-10-2004 03:05 PM

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I think the Saint\'s fans have more heart than any other team in the NFL. Problem
is, this team keeps ripping our hearts out. Call it lack of heart, lack of discipline,
lack of coaching, or whatever. Truth is, if you compare this teams 39 year record
with the record ticket sales the fans put up every year, there is no contest.

JKool 10-10-2004 03:06 PM

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Luv,

I sort of agree with you. However, most of the players are aware of their team\'s history, and that doesn\'t kill their \"heart\". Why should it be different for us fans?

UK_WhoDat 10-10-2004 03:09 PM

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JKool - we are still here, aren\'t we?

As fans we live and die on each play; remembering the dumb errors; and waiting for the media to laugh all over us again.

JKool 10-10-2004 03:12 PM

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UK,

Is just being there enough? I wonder. It seems that players who just show up for a paycheck have no heart.

Don\'t take this the wrong way, I know you\'re a fan. I just wonder sometimes why we don\'t hold ourselves to standards we seem to value in our boys in the B&G?

luvboat 10-10-2004 03:13 PM

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However, most of the players are aware of their team\'s history, and that doesn\'t kill their \"heart\". Why should it be different for us fans?
Being aware of it and having to live with it your entire life is two different things.
Players get traded and move-on to better teams, while the fans don\'t have that
option. The fans support the team no matter who plays on it. The player supports
the team that writes him the check.

chRxis 10-10-2004 03:17 PM

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i\'ve \"had heart\" for the longest time, but you know what, there\'s point where it\'s time to **** or get off the pot, fish or cut bait, etc. i\'m tired, very tired off holding on to a hope, a ****ing sliver of hope that maybe these pampered ps would finally get their act together and give a **** about the game, their fans, the outcome, but no... i get a slap in the face.... two back to back losses to teams the previously haven\'t won a game all year, that\'s the breaking point... i can\'t do it anymore emotionally to be a fan of the new orleans aints

[Edited on 10/10/2004 by JOESAM2002]

JKool 10-10-2004 03:17 PM

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Ah, but each year is a new year. Why does the fact that we didn\'t win last year matter to how we support the team this year. The team is cutting new paychecks to new players, and I don\'t see why we can\'t see it the same way (i.e. new year, new chances)?

Even if we know the history, there is still something \"heartless\" about simply bad mouthing the team before the game starts, giving up on them half way through, sulking and so on. They\'re gonna fight, why can\'t we?

UK_WhoDat 10-10-2004 03:26 PM

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You are all right!

Its different for everyone. I am really fed up with the Saints. I am sure there is effort coming from the heart of theirs. But the manner of losses; the lack of consistent 60 minutes of play - really makes you wonder about what the hell is worng.

The way I see it is; Heart, Effort.... etc are a given in any serious competitor.
But I EXPECT professionalism when the team is getting paid. And that\'s where I pause and question the team.

Because I do not believe it is lack of talent at every position that separates us from the Patriots ........... or anyone in OUR division ......... or (ouch!) 49ers (who we scrape by), the (mighty) Cardinals, or the (all-conquering) Buccs.

Where to next for the Saints. Oh yeh we will have that inspired team. But can I have a \"boring\" 60 minute-effective team please?

luvboat 10-10-2004 03:33 PM

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Quote:

They\'re gonna fight, why can\'t we?
I guess we just have a fundamental difference of opinion, and I\'ll agree to disagree
with you JKool because I respect everyone\'s opinion. But ultimately, IMO, the fans
pay the salaries of the players and are now being asked to pay for a new stadium.
You can\'t ask folks to do that, and expect them to be cheerfully optimistic, when the
team consistantly plays poorly...ie: loosing to arguably the two worst teams in the NFL
one right after the other. You want cheerful, supportive fans? WIN FOOTBALL GAMES!! It\'s that simple. We could take a loss to great team like Seattle when we
see that our team gave their best effort. But don\'t expect the fans to blindly except
this teams poor preformance without expressing some dissatisfaction. :bandhead:

JKool 10-10-2004 03:41 PM

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Interesting reply Luv.

I\'ll think about it, but here is my knee-jerk response:
We don\'t talk about players having \"heart\" unless they face adversity. If everything were sunshiney all the time for a particular player, I don\'t think we\'d say he had any \"heart\".

I do agree, though, that there is good reason to be peeved with the loses, the coaching, and the team (etc.). This is why I tried to say that giving up on them before they get going, calling them down before they\'ve even had the coin toss, and so on seems to be to be a lack of heart. Asking for improvement, analyzing trends, looking at stats and so on, even when they aren\'t so sunshiney, that isn\'t a lack of heart (which seems to be what you are doing - that is, I don\'t think you\'re a fan who lacks heart just because you are frustrated).

WhoDat 10-10-2004 03:44 PM

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is it possible for fans to have no heart?
Absolutely, this team rips my heart out of my chest and stomps on it just about every week. I can\'t remember the last time this team made my heart swell up with pride, but they rip it out just about every week.

JKool 10-10-2004 03:47 PM

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Gator,

You\'ll note that I\'ve been participating in several other posts that have to do with the team. This was a question about the fans (so, I suppose, you\'re right that it is only \"indirectly\" related to football); I don\'t see a problem with discussing \"heart\" as it applies to fans of this team, though. Do you?

[Edited on 10/10/2004 by JKool]

luvboat 10-10-2004 03:57 PM

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We don\'t talk about players having \"heart\" unless they face adversity. If everything were sunshiney all the time for a particular player, I don\'t think we\'d say he had any \"heart\".
This is true, JKool. But the fans pay the players to play through adversity, and the
fan\'s reward should be, if not a winning team, a team that shows improvement as the
year progresses. And the players that show heart (ie: Horn, Duece, Lewis) catch
a lot less flack from the fans than the half-hearted players. And we know who they
are.

Quote:

I don\'t think you\'re a fan who lacks heart just because you are frustrated).
Thanks, I\'m glad you can see where I\'m coming from. I am frustrated, because I
think this team has a lot of talent and they should be 4 and 1 right now. I refuse
to blame the losses on one player or one coach. It\'s a team effort. :(

JKool 10-10-2004 03:58 PM

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Both games they beat the Bucs last year are the last times I can think of that they made my heart swell with pride, but I have kind of a s**ty memory.

WhoDat 10-10-2004 05:44 PM

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but I have kind of a s**ty memory.
Obviously, b/c they only beat the Bucs once last year. ;)

JKool 10-11-2004 10:09 AM

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Indeed!

I guess I was remembering the year before. ;)


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