No Running Game

B_Dub_Saint · 10-06-2013, 10:16 PM

I honestly thought we we attempted to run the ball more than any game this year. I'm probably wrong but watching the game live, I was thinking, we'll we are attempting to be more balanced.

alleycat_126 · 10-06-2013, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

im taking the dump offs, screens, and third options for brees as more of our running game. the running game is what it is. there will be your 100 yard plus days but it has to do with what payton has on that card. i'm accepting it; its winning and i'm pumped for the next one. and today with the 4th and 1 so many of them was like someone said earlier we just were not stretching the ball out for a better spot and just bad spots by the stripes. unawareness of the line is another our fault. its all good. what a win.

Here's what I am gonna say to the all the 4 and 1's we saw today. I explained this in a room full of Saints fans earlier..... so im confident in my diagnosis.... LOL .... In a normal game situation.... I say the two passes to Jimmy that came up short are both conversions. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that they were told not to stretch out for extra yardage or fight for first downs because of how adept this Bears team is of punching the ball out and causing turnovers... no turnovers by us is what won the day!!!

WHODATINCA · 10-06-2013, 11:40 PM

I just got to see the whole game. I take it all back. We did some much better running plays today. Improvement!!! Yay!!

dueceloose · 10-06-2013, 11:56 PM

As long as we're brees'n thru opponents who needs to run.

jeanpierre · 10-07-2013, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by dueceloose

As long as we're brees'n thru opponents who needs to run.

Eventually Teams will figure it out; the interior line has got to start earning those checks...

hagan714 · 10-07-2013, 06:40 AM

PT always does well in chicago

jeanpierre · 10-07-2013, 07:08 AM

Coach Payton and the trainer need to have a meeting of the minds about the sneakers the players will use on grass after the Chicago game...

We had several third and shorts because our players were having some traction issues...

TheOak · 10-07-2013, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by thebdj

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. You did well to read between the lines there ... ummmm ... no. I wasn't questioning Pierre Thomas, which I had hoped was indicated by the rest of the context around it. I was saying that based on the logic we have crucified Mark Ingram on, we should also hold up Pierre Thomas. And because I don't think Pierre is to blame, I was using that to demonstrate the real problem definitely lies with the O-line. Having said that, the stats do not lie, on the ground we are very poor indeed.

Look at those down-and-1 conversions. They were worrying. You should be able to plough through them and carry on but we were at 4th down far too many times.

We are definitely managing the clock very well but let's understand why we are doing that. That's largely because we are getting the opposition offence off the field so damn quickly. That is our defence doing that great work. And yes Brees throwing the ball about with so much accuracy obviously helps a great deal but I would rather see a balanced game and an improved running game.

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

Referring to the OP comment that we kept coming up short because of the running game, I blame the turf. That ground at Chicago is ass crap.

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Did you watch the same game I did? We were not at 4th and 1 because of our running game. We had at least 3 4th and 1s because Jimmy Graham caught the ball on the wrong side of the 1st down line.

Brees was throwing to Jimmy believing Jimmy could drag the pile a yard... he didn't.

What lecture is Jimmy getting today? Know where the damned first down is and dont turn around to catch it unless you are on top of it or past it.

We could have Adrien Peterson running for us gaining 7 YPC... If we are throwing to Jimmy Graham on 3rd down and he is a yard inside of the 1st down, catching and going down you end up with 4th -1 all day... Those has zero to do with our running game.

dam1953 · 10-07-2013, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Did you watch the same game I did? We were not at 4th and 1 because of our running game. We had at least 3 4th and 1s because Jimmy Graham caught the ball on the wrong side of the 1st down line.

Brees was throwing to Jimmy believing Jimmy could drag the pile a yard... he didn't.

What lecture is Jimmy getting today? Know where the damned first down is and dont turn around to catch it unless you are on top of it or past it.

We could have Adrien Peterson running for us gaining 7 YPC... If we are throwing to Jimmy Graham on 3rd down and he is a yard inside of the 1st down, catching and going down you end up with 4th -1 all day... Those has zero to do with our running game.

I agree. It looked like every time we had a 3rd and x we ended up gaining x-1. Our receivers were consistently running routes just short of the needed yardage and gaining nothing after the catch. Colston had at least one of these.

Budsdrinker · 10-07-2013, 08:37 AM

Amazing, we average 2.36 yards rushing and still I'm hearing how much better the run game is without Ingram.

10-06-2013, 10:16 PM	#41
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,343 Blog Entries: 1	Re: No Running Game I honestly thought we we attempted to run the ball more than any game this year. I'm probably wrong but watching the game live, I was thinking, we'll we are attempting to be more balanced.

10-06-2013, 10:17 PM	#42
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: No Running Game Originally Posted by st thomas im taking the dump offs, screens, and third options for brees as more of our running game. the running game is what it is. there will be your 100 yard plus days but it has to do with what payton has on that card. i'm accepting it; its winning and i'm pumped for the next one. and today with the 4th and 1 so many of them was like someone said earlier we just were not stretching the ball out for a better spot and just bad spots by the stripes. unawareness of the line is another our fault. its all good. what a win. Here's what I am gonna say to the all the 4 and 1's we saw today. I explained this in a room full of Saints fans earlier..... so im confident in my diagnosis.... LOL .... In a normal game situation.... I say the two passes to Jimmy that came up short are both conversions. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that they were told not to stretch out for extra yardage or fight for first downs because of how adept this Bears team is of punching the ball out and causing turnovers... no turnovers by us is what won the day!!! SaintsBro likes this.
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10-06-2013, 11:40 PM	#43
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: No Running Game I just got to see the whole game. I take it all back. We did some much better running plays today. Improvement!!! Yay!!

10-06-2013, 11:56 PM	#44
dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: No Running Game As long as we're brees'n thru opponents who needs to run.
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10-07-2013, 06:11 AM	#45
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: No Running Game Originally Posted by dueceloose As long as we're brees'n thru opponents who needs to run. Eventually Teams will figure it out; the interior line has got to start earning those checks...

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10-07-2013, 06:40 AM	#46
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10-07-2013, 07:23 AM	#48
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: No Running Game Originally Posted by thebdj Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. You did well to read between the lines there ... ummmm ... no. I wasn't questioning Pierre Thomas, which I had hoped was indicated by the rest of the context around it. I was saying that based on the logic we have crucified Mark Ingram on, we should also hold up Pierre Thomas. And because I don't think Pierre is to blame, I was using that to demonstrate the real problem definitely lies with the O-line. Having said that, the stats do not lie, on the ground we are very poor indeed. Look at those down-and-1 conversions. They were worrying. You should be able to plough through them and carry on but we were at 4th down far too many times. We are definitely managing the clock very well but let's understand why we are doing that. That's largely because we are getting the opposition offence off the field so damn quickly. That is our defence doing that great work. And yes Brees throwing the ball about with so much accuracy obviously helps a great deal but I would rather see a balanced game and an improved running game. Originally Posted by westbankdaze Referring to the OP comment that we kept coming up short because of the running game, I blame the turf. That ground at Chicago is ass crap. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk - now Free Did you watch the same game I did? We were not at 4th and 1 because of our running game. We had at least 3 4th and 1s because Jimmy Graham caught the ball on the wrong side of the 1st down line. Brees was throwing to Jimmy believing Jimmy could drag the pile a yard... he didn't. What lecture is Jimmy getting today? Know where the damned first down is and dont turn around to catch it unless you are on top of it or past it. We could have Adrien Peterson running for us gaining 7 YPC... If we are throwing to Jimmy Graham on 3rd down and he is a yard inside of the 1st down, catching and going down you end up with 4th -1 all day... Those has zero to do with our running game.
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10-07-2013, 08:22 AM	#49
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: No Running Game Originally Posted by TheOak Did you watch the same game I did? We were not at 4th and 1 because of our running game. We had at least 3 4th and 1s because Jimmy Graham caught the ball on the wrong side of the 1st down line. Brees was throwing to Jimmy believing Jimmy could drag the pile a yard... he didn't. What lecture is Jimmy getting today? Know where the damned first down is and dont turn around to catch it unless you are on top of it or past it. We could have Adrien Peterson running for us gaining 7 YPC... If we are throwing to Jimmy Graham on 3rd down and he is a yard inside of the 1st down, catching and going down you end up with 4th -1 all day... Those has zero to do with our running game. I agree. It looked like every time we had a 3rd and x we ended up gaining x-1. Our receivers were consistently running routes just short of the needed yardage and gaining nothing after the catch. Colston had at least one of these. Boutte likes this.

10-07-2013, 08:37 AM	#50
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: No Running Game Amazing, we average 2.36 yards rushing and still I'm hearing how much better the run game is without Ingram. Danno likes this.

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